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That actually is a good point. It speaks to how broken the health care system is because a 90 year old, using your example, with a terminal illness can not legally be given meds to help them die with dignity. We, as a country, would rather her suffer needlessly, perhaps with subpar care because of insurance or lack thereof, than to help her. It's kinda what we do. We let people like the girl in the OP or others like me suffer instead of helping them out
Guilty as charged! Self-inflicted! LOL
Yup, this would probably be a partial game changer in terms of freeing up dollars and resources, not to mention making the whole discussion less difficult overall.
It's why I think we should get single payer or Universal Health Care...people shouldn't die just because they get cancer...they also shouldn't loose their home and everything they have worked for all their lives, or have to declare bankruptcy. The challenges they are facing with their health is bad enough, why throw in Financial disaster ruin into the mix?
If you rephrase your comments, you may find a different answer.
"No one should suffer because they lack {fill in the blank}" should be prefaced with "No one should be compelled to labor for the benefit of another, so that..." because slavery is not an acceptable solution to the ills of mankind.
Universal Health Care - what can be wrong with compelling everyone to work for the benefit of the sick?
1. slavery
2. government meddling
3. corruption
4. lack of freedom to say "no" or to get a second opinion (can't waste public resources!)
No right to healthcare.
As long as the government criminalizes the unlicensed trade in healthcare and medicine, it is not a right, but a privilege that we pay dearly for.
What most don't realize is that government intrusion is the #1 reason for America's sky high medical and drug bills.
Demanding that government "do something" about the problem they created will not end well.
My suggestion : abolish socialism and deregulate healthcare.
Exactly. And inflating the price to buy the same insurance you had when you worked is an issue as well. It's broken very badly and the ones who suffer are the ines who need the insurance most.
Uniformed Consent proved my "it's cheaper if we die" point as well as the one about making political points. He's so intent on being right that he fails to see that there are a lot of folks not as lucky as his mother.
Well, let me know when you find an endless supply of money to create this utopia. In the mean time there is a child somewhere that will suffer while you spend limited resources on trying to keep a 90 year old alive for another few weeks.
Well, being as your current answer is "we'll pay double or more the going rate for everything and that way we will save money", it's hard to take some arguments seriously.
This is not rocket science. It's not even automobile engineering. There are plenty of models that work...and work well. We have just decided to instead pay double (from debt - it's actually our kids that will be paying double plus interest) and then lament about how we don't have the money.....
Maybe if we paid reasonable prices and health care CEOs didn't get an 800 million dollar retirement nest egg....we'd have a bit more money to invest. And who can doubt that volume lower costs? When I thought I had the flu this year I went into the DOC twice and they swabbed my nose and told me 5 minutes later I didn't have the flu. Then instead of doing a $1200+ colon thingy (I've had it done a few times), I brought home a little kit that probably costs less than $100 all told....and is safer and probably almost as good.
It can be done. Easily. We just need the will to do it. The profit motive doesn't work...that's the first rule of health care.
Well, let me know when you find an endless supply of money to create this utopia. In the mean time there is a child somewhere that will suffer while you spend limited resources on trying to keep a 90 year old alive for another few weeks.
Good point. It is and will be medical resources that are the limit.
The 90 y/o could very well be much younger in physical form and age. Everyone is different.
Or the 90 y/o may have been injured, where someone else or other entity is responsible for the medical bills. In that case who decides on any spending limit? It is not always cut and dried.
In general it should be the patient and family along with the doc(s) involved with making end of life decisions.
That actually is a good point. It speaks to how broken the health care system is because a 90 year old, using your example, with a terminal illness can not legally be given meds to help them die with dignity.
Hospice in general does a fine job here. Especially if terminal care can be done at home.
Well, being as your current answer is "we'll pay double or more the going rate for everything and that way we will save money", it's hard to take some arguments seriously.
This is not rocket science. It's not even automobile engineering. There are plenty of models that work...and work well. We have just decided to instead pay double (from debt - it's actually our kids that will be paying double plus interest) and then lament about how we don't have the money.....
Maybe if we paid reasonable prices and health care CEOs didn't get an 800 million dollar retirement nest egg....we'd have a bit more money to invest. And who can doubt that volume lower costs? When I thought I had the flu this year I went into the DOC twice and they swabbed my nose and told me 5 minutes later I didn't have the flu. Then instead of doing a $1200+ colon thingy (I've had it done a few times), I brought home a little kit that probably costs less than $100 all told....and is safer and probably almost as good.
It can be done. Easily. We just need the will to do it. The profit motive doesn't work...that's the first rule of health care.
I stopped reading at the red point since you are claiming I said something I never said.
You have the right to end your life by any means you wish...and the government says otherwise.
Sure you can kill yourself. But to make it safer, legal and more generally useful and acceptable it will take time, along with the expertise of medical, law and ethics experts.
It doesn't take an "endless supply of money" by a longshot. Many other countries are able to maintain a some sort of single-payer system because, contrary to what you're told "da government" is a much more efficient paper-mover than private health insurance bureaucracies.
You cannot have a just health care system when the entity providing insurance has a profit motive in denying care to those who need it most. That's why they have to be dragged kicking and screaming into having to cover people with "pre-existing conditions."
But you see, its different here. Only in America do people clap and cheer for the privilege of paying double for healthcare.
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