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Old 08-24-2018, 07:17 AM
 
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I don’t ever see that we will have enough resources to ever be effective. That is just the extreme left wanting to get rid of ICE they aren’t going anywhere.
We need to get RID of the apologizing extreme LEFT ! they encourage illegals. a la Maxine Waters, one of the biggest cry baby nutjobs ever.
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Old 08-24-2018, 07:36 AM
 
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Sigh...

Yes, and if cars weren't in this country, he couldn't have driven up to her while she was jogging and murdered her.

And if guns weren't in this country, Adam Lanza wouldn't have shot dead 20 first graders.

By the natural extension of your own logic, tell me, who has the mental disorder here?

There was nothing about this man BEING an illegal immigrant that has ANYTHING to do with this case. Here's an example where what someone IS might have a bearing on the crime committed:


In that case, a man who does not like Jewish people, killed a Jewish person. But in the case we are talking about, there is nothing to say that illegal immigrants hate women? Is there? The only possible cause/effect you can draw is that "If the man wasn't in this country illegal, then this wouldn't have happened." I'd totally agree with that. In the same way that if guns weren't in this country, Adam Lanza could not shoot up first-graders.

In both cases, it is a terrible tragedy. But if your solution is to remove the possibility of the crime happening, then remove illegal immigrants and remove guns. Sounds silly right? Good.

You're analogies all fail. Guns are legal in this country and should be as it's our 2nd Amendment right. Citizens have a right to be in this country regardless of whom they may hate. We can legally own cars also and they are well needed. I swear, the defenders of illegal aliens come up with the lamest excuses for crimes committed by them.
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Old 08-24-2018, 10:13 AM
 
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The story here isn't that the man was an illegal immigrant. The story is that he murdered a young woman and just happened to be an illegal immigrant.

The story might as well be "Young man utilizes car to chase down woman and murder her. Government considers ban on cars."

What does this man being an immigrant have to do with it anyway?

"What does this man being an immigrant have to do with it anyway?"


"If you have to ask the question, you WOULDN'T understand the answer", as they say!
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Old 08-24-2018, 10:13 AM
 
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I don’t ever see that we will have enough resources to ever be effective. That is just the extreme left wanting to get rid of ICE they aren’t going anywhere.
Uninformed Consent is using a 10 your old study, and he's not even analyzing the data correctly.
In it's current state, E-Verify is quite accurate, and if it were made the law, it would be even more so.

As for ICE, we had Immigration and Customs enforcement before 2002. ICE was formed as a response to 9/11, and there role has greatly changed since then. Most people who want to abolish ICE, still want to control immigration from Mexico, but they want it done by a group that is designed to serve that function, not one that was created in response to terrorism and Muslim extremists.
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Old 08-24-2018, 10:34 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Uninformed Consent is using a 10 your old study, and he's not even analyzing the data correctly.
I didn't analyze the data. The source hired by DHS did so, and this is what they concluded...
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"As seen in Exhibit 2, approximately 3.3 percent of all E-Verify findings are for unauthorized workers incorrectly found employment authorized and 2.9 percent of all findings are for unauthorized workers correctly not found employment authorized. Thus, almost half of all unauthorized workers are correctly not found to be employment authorized (2.9/6.2) and just over half are found to be employment authorized (3.3/6.2). Consequently, the inaccuracy rate for unauthorized workers is estimated to be approximately 54 percent with a plausible range of 37 percent to 64 percent. This finding is not surprising, given that since the inception of E-Verify it has been clear that many unauthorized workers obtain employment by committing identity fraud that cannot be detected by E-Verify"
https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/...12-16-09_2.pdf

E-verify misidentifies 54% of illegal workers as eligible to work in the US. So how would employers be able to vet employees beyond e-verify authentication, which is highly ineffective?

A unique biometric identifier such as fingerprints, retinal scan, etc., would be required from every US citizen, LPR, and authorized temporary non-citizen worker to make e-verify work the way it was intended to. Since e-verify has no such database, what's the answer? Just don't hire anyone who looks Hispanic or has a Hispanic name to be safe?
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Old 08-24-2018, 11:43 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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The bigots on this forum would have had a field day with that one had he been undocumented.
Being bigoted means being against someone based on ethnicity. Being against someone based on criminality is not bigotry. Last I checked murder and border jumping are both crimes.
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Old 08-24-2018, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Being bigoted means being against someone based on ethnicity. Being against someone based on criminality is not bigotry. Last I checked murder and border jumping are both crimes.
Border jumping can be a crime but is virtually never treated as such. Virtually all such are treated as an administrative violations not crimes. And for those who have been here over a decade proving criminal entry would be virtually impossible.

So generally border jumping is not a crime.

Being against murderers is certainly a rational view. But being only against illegal alien murderers would not be.
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Old 08-24-2018, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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So you are anti-Trump (a now-confirmed felon) and pro-illegal immigrant (undocumented immigrants have far lower crime rates than U.S. citizens), unless they murder someone. Good to know.

"Border Jumping" (that isn't a thing, BTW, they mostly come by plane, via tourist visa, like Melania) is a crime like running a stop sign is a crime. By itself, it's not a felony or misdemeanor, it's a violation.
Lies!!!!!!
Most illegal immigrants STEAL SS numbers and identities.
Not to mention that jumping the border is a law breaking kind of a thing also, and 100% of illegal immigrants break the law just to get here.
More lies from the left.
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Old 08-24-2018, 12:14 PM
 
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Not to mention that jumping the border is a law breaking kind of a thing also, and 100% of illegal immigrants break the law just to get here.
Incorrect^^^

More illegals enter the USA LEGALLY via Visa, then overstay the Visa, versus illegals crossing the border illegally. The wall is useless to stop them because they arrive legally.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/...ntinue-n730216

Crossing the border is not the way "the large majority of persons now become undocumented," the Center for Migration Studies (CMS) said. Two-thirds of those who joined the undocumented population did so by entering with a valid visa and then overstaying
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Old 08-24-2018, 12:31 PM
 
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The story here isn't that the man was an illegal immigrant. The story is that he murdered a young woman and just happened to be an illegal immigrant.

The story might as well be "Young man utilizes car to chase down woman and murder her. Government considers ban on cars."

What does this man being an immigrant have to do with it anyway?
First of all, he isn't an "immigrant". He is an illegal alien. Stop blurring the lines between legal immigrants and illegal aliens. The former obeyed our immigration laws and patiently awaited their turn to come here. The latter either sneaked across the border or overstayed a visa thus they have no business being here.

To answer your question---It has a lot to do with this killer being an illegal alien. Since he has no business being here, if he were in Mexico where he belongs, Mollie would still be alive. Got it now?
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