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Old 08-24-2018, 05:04 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by lvmensch View Post
3.3% may well be half of the illegal aliens being employed. So 3.3% of all workers and 50% of illegal alien workers may well be the same numbers.
Correct. It is not inconceivable at all that 6.2% of all workers run through the e-verify system are illegal aliens, considering the fact that illegal aliens (using the oft-cited population statistic of 11 million) are less than 4% of the US population. E-verify catches less than half of them due to identity fraud/theft. E-verify has a 54% inaccuracy rate when vetting illegal workers.
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Old 08-24-2018, 05:05 PM
 
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First of all, he isn't an "immigrant". He is an illegal alien. Stop blurring the lines between legal immigrants and illegal aliens. The former obeyed our immigration laws and patiently awaited their turn to come here. The latter either sneaked across the border or overstayed a visa thus they have no business being here.

To answer your question---It has a lot to do with this killer being an illegal alien. Since he has no business being here, if he were in Mexico where he belongs, Mollie would still be alive. Got it now?
Had not that Republican farmer hired him, he would not have been there in Iowa to kill Molly.

Got it?
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Old 08-24-2018, 05:09 PM
 
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More BS.

You are now twisting yourself into a pretzel. You know darn well that if this illegal alien wasn't in the country but instead in Mexico where he belongs, Mollie would still be alive.

Illegals don't commit less crimes. From the moment they sneak across a border or overstay a visa, they have committed a crime (yes, for the first offense, it's a misdemeanor but a misdemeanor is still a crime). Then in order to work, they have to commit ID theft or use a fake SSN. That fake SSN sometimes belongs to a living person, who like the ID theft victim, gets put into a world of hurt. Then there are the ones who get paid under the table, which is tax evasion.

Try again.
What is interesting is that at 'ground zero' of illegal immigration, Arizona, employers can hire known illegals for "independent contract" work.

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Lofstrum and Bohn examined E-Verify's impact on Arizona's workforce between 2007 and 2009 and found that the state's undocumented population declined by about 92,000 people, or about 17%, as workers left the state to look for jobs.

Many of the workers who remained, however, were pushed into so-called "informal employment," working as day laborers or independent contractors in fields like construction, lawn care and janitorial work. The self-employment rate for unauthorized, less-skilled men doubled from 8% to 16% between 2007 and 2009, the researchers found.

For employers, it was easier to hire these workers because Arizona does not mandate the use of E-Verify for independent contractors and in many cases they were paid under the table, Lofstrom said. For the workers, however, it likely meant "fewer benefits, lower wages, and potential for worsened working conditions," the researchers wrote.
https://money.cnn.com/2017/02/28/new...ion/index.html
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Old 08-24-2018, 05:11 PM
 
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I'm not letting these "republican" farm owners off the hook. This Rivera guy is obviously an illegal at first glance. This farm knows they are all illegals they're hiring and is looking the other way if not facilitating it.


The farm owners are just greedy jerks and liars and worse jealous of their fellow white neighbors. I know business owners. They hire illegals because they don't want citizens to benefit, so they can be superior to the rest of the people in the area.

Wait a minute! How can anyone tell if some is here illegally just by looking at them? Isn't that stereotyping? Are you unaware how many millions of Hispanics we have here legally or are legal immigrants? White neighbors? What difference does it make what party anyone is affiliated with or what their race or skin color is? I suggest you stop thinking that only white Republicans hire illegal aliens as you couldn't be more wrong.
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Old 08-24-2018, 05:12 PM
 
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Had not that Republican farmer hired him, he would not have been there in Iowa to kill Molly.

Got it?
So... Don't hire people who look Hispanic or have a Hispanic name? Since neither employers nor e-verify can accurately detect identity fraud/theft, that's really all that can be done.
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Old 08-24-2018, 05:14 PM
 
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Had not that Republican farmer hired him, he would not have been there in Iowa to kill Molly.

Got it?

Had the murderer not been in our country illegally seeking work the farmer wouldn't have been able to hire him. No one dragged him over the border to work here. Why do you keep referring to the farmer's party affiliation? What has that to do with anything? Nancy Pelosi (a Democrat) hired illegal aliens to work in her vineyards. So you were saying?
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Old 08-24-2018, 05:17 PM
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Had not that Republican farmer hired him, he would not have been there in Iowa to kill Molly.

Got it?
I want to blame how easy it was for this guy to get into the US illegally, and I also want to blame that cheerleader friend of Molly's, Iris Monarrez, who dated this guy, had his baby, and helped him to get that job on the farm. She must have also been part of his fake name that he was hired under. He didn't know Molly directly, but this cheerleader high school friend knew Molly and her brothers. I hope that she feels really guilty for her part in her friend's murder.

And was Cristhian Rivera even paying child support for his 3-year old daughter?
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Old 08-24-2018, 05:24 PM
 
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He used a SS card and an out-of-state ID card that belonged to another person. That's ID theft.

The taxes were filed under the ID theft victim's name. The SSA and the IRS don't communicate with one another. Right now several people could be using your SSN but the the SSA won't tell you. You only find out when the IRS comes after you about not filing taxes on a job you never worked.
And you know this how?
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Old 08-24-2018, 05:28 PM
 
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I did. I posted them. Read my prior post. E-verify has a 54% failure rate in identifying illegal workers. Why? With a grossly insufficient unique biometric identifier database, it cannot detect identity fraud/theft.

Read my post. It is factual and up to date. You do not understand your figures from a study almost ten years ago.
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Old 08-24-2018, 05:29 PM
 
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Only if the employer refuses to use E-Verify which is what this farm owner did.

E-verify is only mandated for government jobs.
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