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Old 08-25-2018, 06:07 AM
 
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If American of the same race kills someone, then race, nationality and immigration status isn't relevant and neither is demographic crime rates.

If an illegal alien kills someone an American of another race then legal status, race, and nationality are all relevant.


I believe that he was drawn to Mollie due to factors of her being white and exotic to him and enraged and unsympathetic when rejected because she was another ethnic and panicky from being an illegal when she threaten to call the police before he had actually violated the law. If the girl was a fellow Hispanic I don't believe he would've done this. And more importantly if the illegal wasn't here like he shouldn't have been it wouldn't have happened either.


Liberals don't ever want you to believe any of that can matter because the bottom line is their agenda is to replace and displace white America to begin with.
"If an illegal alien kills someone an American of another race then legal status, race, and nationality are all relevant."

B.S. It IS RELEVANT!

It is funny how so many on the left want to restrict, some want outright ban, on guns to "save lives" yet are NOT AGAINST curtailing illegals from coming into our country with sanctuary cities/states, making it against the law for local cops to NOT assist ICE, etc.

ALL murders ARE relevant.

We pass laws to help STOP MURDERS NO MATTER where the criminal came from.

If we can curtail MOST illegals from coming here, it WOULD go a big way in LOWERING the numbers of our murders.

The left uses "if it save just ONE life, it is worth it" unless it is for an issue THEY want.
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Old 08-25-2018, 06:25 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Putting aside the hypocrisy that this illegal was living and working on a farm owned by the husband of a big GOP fundraiser, the economic realities of the situation are clear. The farm owner had little choice but to hire illegal labor. Without immigrant labor there would be no milk, no farm, no ancillary economic activities like the John Deere salesman, the fuel and grain suppliers, the bank, the restaurant down on main. We are dependent on these foreigners for our livelihood. The well-being of the collective is more important than the occasional crime, no matter its seriousness. We will just have to live with that if we want food on our tables and money in our bank accounts.
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Old 08-25-2018, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Putting aside the hypocrisy that this illegal was living and working on a farm owned by the husband of a big GOP fundraiser, the economic realities of the situation are clear. The farm owner had little choice but to hire illegal labor. Without immigrant labor there would be no milk, no farm, no ancillary economic activities like the John Deere salesman, the fuel and grain suppliers, the bank, the restaurant down on main. We are dependent on these foreigners for our livelihood. The well-being of the collective is more important than the occasional crime, no matter its seriousness. We will just have to live with that if we want food on our tables and money in our bank accounts.
Not necessarily. Put prison inmates to work on the farms, and/or reform welfare and force welfare collectors to do the work. You'd be amazed what could happen if you forced able bodied welfare collectors to get off the couch and pick the crops.
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Old 08-25-2018, 07:13 AM
 
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Not necessarily. Put prison inmates to work on the farms, and/or reform welfare and force welfare collectors to do the work. You'd be amazed what could happen if you forced able bodied welfare collectors to get off the couch and pick the crops.
Should the able bodied welfare collectors report to the fields to pick crops before or after their shift at McWendy Kings?
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Old 08-25-2018, 07:14 AM
 
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Again, what difference does the race or political affiliation of the farmer have on this incident?


Again, there are unlimited visas for legal, foreign farm workers. So no, farmers do not have to hire illegal aliens to work on farms. Employers do not have to hire illegal aliens for anything. All they have to do is pay an American a fair wage and they'll take those jobs. What about the construction industry that illegal aliens have flooded? Were those jobs that Americans won't do? Who do you think were doing those jobs and many other blue-collared jobs before millions of cheap, illegals flooded our border, "Ponderosa"? Stop spreading propaganda and lies!!


We are depending on these foreigners aka illegal aliens for our livelihood? LOL! How is losing one's job to them and having to cover the over $100 billion a year for their social costs contributing to our livelihood????


Why wouldn't we have food on our tables with these unlimited visas for crop pickers and farm workers? Those who hire illegal aliens aren't passing any savings on to the consumer they are merely pocketing the profits. What they do pass on to us is their enormous social costs. Only 2% of illegal aliens are working on farms and picking crops anyway. The rest of them have taken jobs from Americans by working for less.


Crime aside, they have no business being here or working here it's against the law. Both they and their greedy employers are breaking the law. Why do our laws mean so little to you?
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Old 08-25-2018, 07:16 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Should the able bodied welfare collectors report to the fields to pick crops before or after their shift at McWendy Kings?
Either is fine. You do what you have to do to support yourself and your dependents.
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Old 08-25-2018, 07:18 AM
 
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Putting aside the hypocrisy that this illegal was living and working on a farm owned by the husband of a big GOP fundraiser, the economic realities of the situation are clear. The farm owner had little choice but to hire illegal labor. Without immigrant labor there would be no milk, no farm, no ancillary economic activities like the John Deere salesman, the fuel and grain suppliers, the bank, the restaurant down on main. We are dependent on these foreigners for our livelihood. The well-being of the collective is more important than the occasional crime, no matter its seriousness. We will just have to live with that if we want food on our tables and money in our bank accounts.
There is NO reason that if we need more labor that it has to be illegal. They remain illegal for one reason. They can be paid less.
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Old 08-25-2018, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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There is NO reason that if we need more labor that it has to be illegal. They remain illegal for one reason. They can be paid less.
OK. Just open the borders and they will all be legal. Or legalize the millions that are here. Legal or not is a technicality. We need millions of people who are willing to work at demanding jobs for low pay. Some of them are going to be "bad hombres". A process to admit farm labor legally will change nothing but slow things down and leave food rotting in the fields. Get the government out of it. Let the markets work.
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Old 08-25-2018, 07:27 AM
 
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OK. Just open the borders and they will all be legal. Or legalize the millions that are here. Legal or not is a technicality. We need millions of people who are willing to work at demanding jobs for low pay.
That makes no sense. How many millions of Americans are subsisting on public assistance programs? They should be the ones working to earn their keep.
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Old 08-25-2018, 07:28 AM
 
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OK. Just open the borders and they will all be legal. Or legalize the millions that are here. Legal or not is a technicality.
No it is not.

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We need millions of people who are willing to work at demanding jobs for low pay.
No we do not.

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Some of them are going to be "bad hombres". A process to admit farm labor legally will change nothing but slow things down and leave food rotting in the fields. Get the government out of it. Let the markets work.
OK, you are for open borders but that means people are no longer forced to accept low wages.
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