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I already explained this but you either labor with the capital at hand, or you don’t. The concept of managing money only has value in a profit based system, and even then they are not responsible with keeping the company functioning.
Just because you worked at the beginning doesn’t give you permanent control over the capital. Ownership is based on usage, and as far as I can see Bezos does not have the personal mental or physical abilities to control an entire capital base worth billions of dollars.
A free labor market would be one where profit does not incentivize work and management is handled democratly. Outcome will not be the same for everyone, but your input is only defined by your own work, not the work of others (like Bezos).
Which didn't answer any of the questions I posed.
What is the decision space of the average worker versus Bezos?
How many hours does the average worker put in?
How much does the average workers decisions impact the entire corporation?
I worked in a factory and the average manager couldn't find a start button on a machine to save their life. Then again that wasn't what they were hired to do either, thats what I was hired to do.
Your average business owner typically makes more than his employees. Often he or she knows far less than their most skilled person.
If your average Amazon employee could do what Bezos can do then they would be making the big bucks too.
I am no big fan of these multimillion dollar salaries plus multimillion dollar annual bonuses, that said,I can't do what the scum at the top can do.
I don't have a problem, or even really know much about Bezos, other than his role at Amazon, and I use their service all the time. I'm a happy Prime subscriber.
That being said, your comment is missing a point. The point is that someone like Bezos (or Walmart, or many others) has power to make it "not that simple". They have been given such control over aspects of our economy, that it's not simple to avoid buying from Amazon and Walmart, and even if you do, it means your choices are very limited, and you will pay a higher price, and be at a disadvantage. That's a choice we all have to make, and I'm mostly OK with it. But to call it simple is either ignorant of facts, or just misguided.
These people have the influence to make small business owners, the poster children of the American Dream, be forced out of businesses they run to support their place in the American Dream, only to be hired back at low wages, with few choices. It is not because they did something wrong, it's because a company like that used their economic power to put them there, for their own benefit.
I'm no Socialist, so I don't want our government controlling the daily commerce of our country, or the jobs and wages people have, but the system is far from perfect. In my view, people like Bezos SHOULD be sharing their wealth more with all the people that were part of making it possible. They are not legally obligated to do so, but many feel they are morally obligated to do so. And equally important, it would probably be a better outcome for our economy, and our country for more people to have access to the American Dream. Bezos et all would not suffer, and MORE people would benefit. Or at least a lot of people have good reason to believe that.
"Have been given?" Or earned it from the public? No one "gave" Bezos/Amazon/Wal-Mart anything. They earned it. Don't like that? Take it back: Don't buy from Amazon/Wal-Mart.
Actually I dont or I wouldn't waste your or my time asking, but I'm not going back 14 pages to read it all again to figure out what you are talking about. I thought if you were interested in an honest answer, you would be kind enough to re-state what you were looking for an answer to, but never mind.
Not necessarily true and not what I’m advocating for. Having worker managed production has nothing to do with letting the government control it (ideally, there would be no government), more so it has to do with allowing the free practice of labor.
Once you understand the difference between personal property and private property, we can realize production has nothing to do with the ownership of the capital (people who distribute wealth back to you) but the actual usage of that capital. From then on you’d have a Democratic workplace where management is handled by those who choose to work their.
There is no difference between personal and private property. That's just Marxist drivel.
It requires a State (your syndicate) to specifically designate each physical thing on earth as either/or and then subjugates the people to that standard.
It requires a State (your syndicate) to specifically designate each physical thing on earth as either/or and then subjugates the people to that standard.
We've been over this...a million times.
No, you are very wrong here. A syndicate only exists to help connect different labor production centers and settle disputes in the realm of work (of which they are connected to, as you know there are many different syndicates).
No one specifies the difference, it’s just an unusual concept for people who live in a privatized environment thinking it makes sense. In reality private ownership needs a state to give the owner a rightful claim over property they have no physical control over. You need government paperwork to signify your ownership of something that you don’t presently control and require government enforcement to keep it that way.
Personal property is just things (not people) that are under your direct influence and things you use. Private property exists under the same logic the state exists.
Which didn't answer any of the questions I posed.
What is the decision space of the average worker versus Bezos?
How many hours does the average worker put in?
How much does the average workers decisions impact the entire corporation?
I worked in a factory and the average manager couldn't find a start button on a machine to save their life. Then again that wasn't what they were hired to do either, thats what I was hired to do.
Your average business owner typically makes more than his employees. Often he or she knows far less than their most skilled person.
If your average Amazon employee could do what Bezos can do then they would be making the big bucks too.
I am no big fan of these multimillion dollar salaries plus multimillion dollar annual bonuses, that said,I can't do what the scum at the top can do.
Their skills are only important to distribute the wealth towards the shareholders. The have no vital functions besides that, they don’t earn there money.
Actually I dont or I wouldn't waste your or my time asking, but I'm not going back 14 pages to read it all again to figure out what you are talking about. I thought if you were interested in an honest answer, you would be kind enough to re-state what you were looking for an answer to, but never mind.
If you can't even bother to read to educate yourself why do you expect others to do this for you? Kinda lazy isn't it?
I wish Bernie Sanders would just disappear, like Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders is nothing but rhetoric!
Bernie is one politician who didn't take pac money, that doesn't make him great, but it doesn't make him bad either.
I suspect you're one of those people who don't understand that the democrats (and Bernie) support the same state capitalist ideology that the republicans have.
Conversely, you probably think Clinton (both) and Obama are decent human beings. I wonder how you feel about the al-shifa bombing? Doesn't reflect well on your establishment heros.
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