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Old 08-29-2018, 06:54 AM
 
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Truth! One is those "issues" is sitting in the Oval Office right now pissing and moaning about football players kneeling for the national anthem and suggesting that those who do should be deported.

No words. Just no words.
Well, since you brought it up, , just saw a photo of him coloring an American flag with a blue and a red line. Looked like the Russian flag. Now why would the POTUS be coloring our flag to look like the Russian flag?

Freud would have a hey day with that.


 
Old 08-29-2018, 06:58 AM
 
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No, what's really disrespectful is people who try to curtail the freedom of speech of others.

What's also very bizarre is the way that so many people forget that kneeling is in fact a traditional sign of respect.
Responses like this miss the mark of the OP.

It's not about exercising free speech.

It's about making a real productive difference in the lives of others.

Kneeling for the anthem does not affect crime in Chicago or poverty in Detroit.

These athletes (along with actors, musicians, etc) have plenty of money and resources to put back into the community.

LB James at least is trying to do something with his school in Cleveland. Steve Harvey does events with his Disney camp and camp for boys with single parents. P Diddy has a school. Deion Sanders has a school.

We need more of this, and less political posturing. And those on the right should be supportive of these actions, and not disrespect or disregard their efforts.
 
Old 08-29-2018, 07:01 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Am I the only one that doesn't know who Kareem JaBar?
No.
 
Old 08-29-2018, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Willamette Valley, Oregon
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It means there is no room for argument. Period.

No, it means now you get to argue your position. Period.
 
Old 08-29-2018, 07:05 AM
 
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That is the problem, no one wants to get involved.
They would rather sit home and do nothing, and expect it will happen.
OK, for now I will ignore the way you stereotype and generalize, as if all black people think and act alike. To address your above statement, it seems to me that the athletes protesting during the anthem are getting involved. Yet you rant against them for doing so.

Yes, the average man on the street may be more effective by writing his or her congressman, and by voting for change. The athletes however are in a unique position, due to their presence on a national stage, to bring awareness to the issues. As you noted, these people are paid millions of dollars. Thus they have much to lose - they are taking an enormous risk, being vilified by the public and potentially losing their jobs. All of which speaks to how serious they feel the issues are and their commitment to change. It is actually a very brave act.

Bob, have you ever risked your reputation and your livelihood to fight for something you believed in, or have you limited your involvement to typing nasty diatribes to an anonymous website?
 
Old 08-29-2018, 07:07 AM
 
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Yes, the average man on the street may be more effective by writing his or her congressman, and by voting for change. The athletes however are in a unique position, due to their presence on a national stage, to bring awareness to the issues. As you noted, these people are paid millions of dollars. Thus they have much to lose - they are taking an enormous risk, being vilified by the public and potentially losing their jobs. All of which speaks to how serious they feel the issues are and their commitment to change. It is actually a very brave act.
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Indeed it is.
 
Old 08-29-2018, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Willamette Valley, Oregon
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OK, for now I will ignore the way you stereotype and generalize, as if all black people think and act alike. To address your above statement, it seems to me that the athletes protesting during the anthem are getting involved. Yet you rant against them for doing so.

Yes, the average man on the street may be more effective by writing his or her congressman, and by voting for change. The athletes however are in a unique position, due to their presence on a national stage, to bring awareness to the issues. As you noted, these people are paid millions of dollars. Thus they have much to lose - they are taking an enormous risk, being vilified by the public and potentially losing their jobs. All of which speaks to how serious they feel the issues are and their commitment to change. It is actually a very brave act.

Bob, have you ever risked your reputation and your livelihood to fight for something you believed in, or have you limited your involvement to typing nasty diatribes to an anonymous website?

Nicely put! Thank you Leo58.
 
Old 08-29-2018, 07:13 AM
 
Location: The analog world
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For those struggling with the identity of "Kareem Jabbar"

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

The legendary American basketball player has been openly critical of Donald Trump, particularly the president's travel ban.
 
Old 08-29-2018, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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Interesting rant, but it's so full of inaccuracies and hyperbole that it's not worth discussing further.

Get your facts straight and come back.
 
Old 08-29-2018, 07:22 AM
 
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I vote that instead of a stadium full of people watching a performer sing the National Anthem, worrying about standing or kneeling players, we all sing the Anthem together.

Perhaps it will be a start to putting this us against them BS to bed.
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