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Old 10-19-2018, 02:38 PM
 
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Of course not. The whole idea of Columbus killing natives is bogus reinventing of history. Columbus took a few natives back to Europe with him because the queen of Spain demanded payments and natives in exchange for funding his voyage. He traded with natives and gave them provisions to be nice. Germ theory didn’t even come along until 400 years later. The notion that Columbus was engaging in some type of biological warfare is so far fetched that only leftist would believe it.
Dude Columbus killed and slaved 1600 indians himself.
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Old 03-04-2019, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Spring Hope, NC
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I’m watching America Before Columbus on National G

Columbus & Co had nothing to be proud of, SHAME!
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Old 03-04-2019, 06:19 PM
 
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While he was burning down villages, it is a practical certainty he raped some native women after a long journey surrounded by men.
How do you know his character to slander him so easily ... You think Columbus did something that no other person was going to do? Fantasies are still fantasies... The Native Americans, Incans, and such were already doom, it was only a matter of time .. but then I don't cry for the Romans either but maybe you will and blame the Germans...
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Old 03-04-2019, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Spring Hope, NC
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There was no genocide of Native Americans. They lost the wars. Some win some lose. When the Spanish came to the New World they found groups like the Aztecs who killed, enslaved and sacrificed humans whole sale. So save the BS about Columbus.
Wars..The Spaniards won the wars with the disease they brought with them, no contest.
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Old 03-04-2019, 07:40 PM
 
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There was no genocide of Native Americans. They lost the wars. Some win some lose. When the Spanish came to the New World they found groups like the Aztecs who killed, enslaved and sacrificed humans whole sale. So save the BS about Columbus.

There were no natives to this country/continent anyway. Everyone migrated here back then.
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Old 03-04-2019, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Texas
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In some urbanized areas of the Aztec and Inca empires, native Americans suffered 90% loss of life due to old world diseases. It is probably the greatest proportional loss of life ever for a civilization.

Do you blame Columbus for this?

I think that the collapse of native civilizations was going to happen regardless because those populations had not built up immunities and they could not have remained separate forever.
It was the democrat Andrew Jackson. He gave rise to hatred and led the party of the klan.
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Old 03-04-2019, 08:15 PM
 
Location: California
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Nope. Someone was going to do it. Conquering the world was the thing at the time ya know.
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Old 03-04-2019, 08:34 PM
 
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Torture was part of the Spanish way....I don't blame him or others for the disease part, but their greed and quest for Gold was a bit beyond the Pale.

I would neither glorify or vilify him...just a cog in the gears of history. As others have noted, it was going to happen anyway - the strong always have run rough over the week and the quest for Gold and Silver threw the world in high gear in that regards.

Later on it was LAND that caused people to so easily kill. All the same thing really. Again, can't put a value judgement on it today because it's just history.

I think we always get in trouble when we try to imprint modern sensibilities onto past events.

At the same time, I wouldn't make heroes of every corporate or monarch backed selfish quest for Gold and riches.
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