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this is an example of poor judgement on Warren's part. Would you call yourself an African American if you had a DNA test stating you were 1/1024 AA heritage? Black Americans should be outraged that she is trying to pull this stunt. She's obviously racist.
this is an example of poor judgement on Warren's part. Would you call yourself an African American if you had a DNA test stating you were 1/1024 AA heritage? Black Americans should be outraged that she is trying to pull this stunt. She's obviously racist.
An African and a Native American walk into a bar....
...nevermind its just two white women Elizabeth Warren and Rachel Dolezal.
Btw, according to 23andme, the average white person in America has double Native American DNA compared to her.
You are appealing to common sense in one area and resorting to technicalities in another. Clearly she was under the impression (to give her benefit of the doubt) that she was much more Native American than she actually is. It is one thing to mention you have a small part of ancestry without claiming to be a member of the ethnic group but that isn't what she has done. When you put down Native American on forms and documents you are not saying you have an eeny teeny tiny trace of blood but that you meet the criteria for qualifying as that ethnic minority. And there are numerous examples of her doing that.
She could have no Cherokee DNA, or she could have a full blooded great grandparent who was a Cherokee and it wouldn't show up in a DNA test because there are no representative samples from many Native American tribes to establish the presence of specific NA DNA. As I said earlier, my grandson is 1/8 cherokee as established through Dawes rolls and tribal enrollment by his ancestors. He is not culturally a Native American, nor does he look like one but you can't say that he's not native american because his DNA test didn't establish it. So would he be lying if the claimed that he has Cherokee ancestors?
This is from an article on Warren's DNA results
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Dr. Bustamante could not say from Ms. Warren’s DNA which tribe her ancestor belonged to. He was able only to compare Ms. Warren’s DNA to that of indigenous people in Peru and Mexico, as well as First Nations people in Canada.
He did not study any Native Americans in the United States, with whom Ms. Warren would presumably be most closely related. Native American tribes have felt exploited and deceived about how their DNA has been studied in the past. The long-running distrust means that relatively little is known of their DNA.
Krystal Tsosie, an indigenous geneticist and bioethicist at Vanderbilt University, said another concern among Native Americans is that people might use results from consumer genetic tests to claim that they belong to particular tribes, regardless of a tribe’s own rules for membership. “There are all these questions about how this can potentially harm our sovereign status,” she said.
Without data on Native Americans in the United States, Dr. Bustamante and his colleagues were careful to limit their conclusions. Ms. Warren has an ancestor who descends from the first people who traveled from Asia into the Americas, and from whom Native Americans descended, he said.
Ms. Tsosie said she hopes Ms. Warren’s report would put a spotlight on the complicated issues surrounding Native American identity today. Still, she worried that some people might argue that being Native American is nothing more than a result from a DNA test. “I’m really grateful that Elizabeth Warren decided to consult a leader in the field,” Ms. Tsosie said. “But I’m concerned that these issues will be weaponized.” https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/s...-american.html
She could have no Cherokee DNA, or she could have a full blooded great grandparent who was a Cherokee and it wouldn't show up in a DNA test because there are no representative samples from many Native American tribes to establish the presence of specific NA DNA. As I said earlier, my grandson is 1/8 cherokee as established through Dawes rolls and tribal enrollment by his ancestors. He is not culturally a Native American, nor does he look like one but you can't say that he's not native american because his DNA test didn't establish it. So would he be lying if the claimed that he has Cherokee ancestors?
This is from an article on Warren's DNA results
Thank you for being one of the few to bring in some facts and logic to this tidal wave of ignorant/fact less posts.
She could have no Cherokee DNA, or she could have a full blooded great grandparent who was a Cherokee and it wouldn't show up in a DNA test because there are no representative samples from many Native American tribes to establish the presence of specific NA DNA. As I said earlier, my grandson is 1/8 cherokee as established through Dawes rolls and tribal enrollment by his ancestors. He is not culturally a Native American, nor does he look like one but you can't say that he's not native american because his DNA test didn't establish it. So would he be lying if the claimed that he has Cherokee ancestors s
So we're back to this again. There is no hard EVIDENCE that she is a Cherokee but because she is a WOMAN then she must be BELIEVED.
Given your own statements and the expert you referenced, then clearly she was mistaken in calling herself Cherokee and Native American (a term widely used to refer to North American Indians not Mexican or Central American or South American).
So we're back to this again. There is no hard EVIDENCE that she is a Cherokee but because she is a WOMAN then she must be BELIEVED.
Given your own statements and the expert you referenced, then clearly she was mistaken in calling herself Cherokee and Native American (a term widely used to refer to North American Indians not Mexican or Central American or South American).
1. You statement makes absolutely no sense this isn't about an accusation of a sexual nature. Get a clue.
2. Correct she isn't a tribal member even though she carries some Native American ancestry. This is pretty typical among some white people especially from Oklahoma they claim Cherokee ancestry due to having a distant ancestor of that heritage. It's a cultural issue based on ignorance.
1. You statement makes absolutely no sense this isn't about an accusation of a sexual nature. Get a clue.
2. Correct she isn't a tribal member even though she carries some Native American ancestry. This is pretty typical among some white people especially from Oklahoma they claim Cherokee ancestry due to having a distant ancestor of that heritage. It's a cultural issue based on ignorance.
1. So if a woman is making an accusation of "a sexual nature" then she is to be believed but if she is making any other kind of claim she needs to proffer evidence? Got it.
2. Incorrect, the results show a strong possibility of Peruvian or Mexican ancestry.
So we're back to this again. There is no hard EVIDENCE that she is a Cherokee but because she is a WOMAN then she must be BELIEVED.
Given your own statements and the expert you referenced, then clearly she was mistaken in calling herself Cherokee and Native American (a term widely used to refer to North American Indians not Mexican or Central American or South American).
She referenced a specific tribe anecdotally, by reciting stories told to her by her family, that is very common. There is no DNA test to attribute a relationship to a specific tribe.
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Bustamante did not have access to Native American DNA because of mistrust in the community that DNA results could affect tribal identity, so he relied on samples of indigenous people from Mexico, Peru and Colombia — populations in the Americas with high native American genetic ancestry. There is research showing that using these groups as references is accurate when differentiating between genetic ancestries at a worldwide level. But no tribe for Warren could be identified, only that she had an ancestor or ancestors descended from indigenous people
This basic error in understanding the test results was compounded by the RNC’s reference to the 2014 New York Times article, which was about a genetic profile of the United States, based on a study of 160,000 people drawn from the customer base of 23andMe, a consumer personal genetics company. With reporters believing that Warren’s genome was only as much as 1.56 percent Native American, the article’s line that “European-Americans had genomes that were on average 98.6 percent European, .19 percent African, and .18 Native American” made it appear as if Warren’s sample was even smaller than that of the average American. Not so. Remember we said that the Bustamante study said she had 10 times more than the individuals from Utah? That’s the relevant statistic, indicating that her claim to some Native American heritage is much stronger than most European Americans. https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...nl_most&wpmm=1
1. So if a woman is making an accusation of "a sexual nature" then she is to be believed but if she is making any other kind of claim she needs to proffer evidence? Got it.
2. Incorrect, the results show a strong possibility of Peruvian or Mexican ancestry.
1. I didn't address accusations of a sexual nature in my post that is a different thread you really should stay on topic. The way you worded you post I responded to did though.
2. No you aren't grasping how it works. Let me break it down to you real simple.
You have a graph the first Nations Canadian tribes plot on position A and on position B plots various Amerindian tribes from south of the border. That indicates you have two separate genetic populations. Elizabeth Warren's 14.3 cM segment plotted exactly in the center between those two genetic populations(represented by A and B) as would be expected for an Amerindian segment of a Native American from the USA. Now it has been explained to you very patiently and eloquently already that there are no Native American reference populations from the USA because the various tribes all have declined to provide samples. This really isn't that complex to grasp.
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