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Old 12-04-2018, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Can't agree more.



Exactly. Every major power in WWII was an imperialist power with the same basic objectives. There were no good guys. Nations do whatever is their national-interests. Nations do not have morality. They don't recognize good or evil as concepts, except insofar as they can use them to justify their actions.


Do Americans have any idea how and why Hawaii became a state? Do Americans have any understanding of how we "acquired" any of this vast continent? And if we bought it from someone else, where did they get it from? And on what conditions was it sold?

Do people have any idea why the United States fought the Spanish-American war? Or the Philippine-American war? Or any war really?


This collective-delusion about what America is, and why America does what it does, I don't know if I should blame it on the American education system, or just the fact that most Americans are literal blithering imbeciles. But I get tired of arguing with people who don't know anything, but who insist on giving me their idiotic opinions. And then for the other idiots to agree with them to the point that I feel constantly and vastly outnumbered


Dunning-Kruger effect is in full-swing in this thread.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunnin...3Kruger_effect
Standing. Freaking. Ovation.

One of the best posts I've seen here.
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Old 12-04-2018, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Originally Posted by Redshadowz View Post
Can't agree more.



Exactly. Every major power in WWII was an imperialist power with the same basic objectives. There were no good guys. Nations do whatever is their national-interests. Nations do not have morality. They don't recognize good or evil as concepts, except insofar as they can use them to justify their actions.


Do Americans have any idea how and why Hawaii became a state? Do Americans have any understanding of how we "acquired" any of this vast continent? And if we bought it from someone else, where did they get it from? And on what conditions was it sold?

Do people have any idea why the United States fought the Spanish-American war? Or the Philippine-American war? Or any war really?


This collective-delusion about what America is, and why America does what it does, I don't know if I should blame it on the American education system, or just the fact that most Americans are literal blithering imbeciles. But I get tired of arguing with people who don't know anything, but who insist on giving me their idiotic opinions. And then for the other idiots to agree with them to the point that I feel constantly and vastly outnumbered


Dunning-Kruger effect is in full-swing in this thread.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunnin...3Kruger_effect
Well put, excellent post.

Edit: wish I could rep
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Old 12-04-2018, 06:23 PM
 
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WWII had more casualties, and it had a higher draft enlistment rate. In fact, Vietnam had a higher share of voluntary enlistment.
Not even in the same ballpark. 50-60 million people died in WW2 and involved combat operations in dozens of countries.
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Old 12-04-2018, 06:28 PM
 
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I think you'd get better answers in the History forum, but my guess is:

1. WWII is further back in history.

2. There was no doubt we were on the right side.

3. We won.
2 and 3 are always closely related to one another. The winners always declare themselves the good guys.
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Old 12-04-2018, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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2 and 3 are always closely related to one another. The winners always declare themselves the good guys.
Liberating living witnesses and the Nazi documentation of the Shoah went a long way to leaving us feeling that without a doubt we were on the right side and did a righteous "romanticized" thing by fighting
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Old 12-04-2018, 06:45 PM
 
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Liberating living witnesses and the Nazi documentation of the Shoah went a long way to leaving us feeling that without a doubt we were on the right side and did a righteous "romanticized" thing by fighting
That's fine and well. Meanwhile the "good" guys used nuclear weapons against innocent civilian populations, twice, just to let you know it wasn't a mistake the first time. So as I said...
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Old 12-04-2018, 06:49 PM
 
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History is written by the victors. We won WWII and so get to write the script to fit.
No one is letting you write anything.
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Old 12-04-2018, 07:30 PM
 
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That's fine and well. Meanwhile the "good" guys used nuclear weapons against innocent civilian populations, twice, just to let you know it wasn't a mistake the first time. So as I said...
The spin you have put on that is not true. If it were, the bombs would have been dropped on the densest population areas of Tokyo. Instead, both Japanese cities that were attacked with nuclear weapons were military targets, with massive civilian casualties.

It managed to get the Japanese government's full attention, while the Tokyo fire bombings didn't. The hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians lost by using two atomic bombs saved years of war and millions of Japanese soldiers' lives.
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Old 12-04-2018, 07:45 PM
 
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The spin you have put on that is not true. If it were, the bombs would have been dropped on the densest population areas of Tokyo. Instead, both Japanese cities that were attacked with nuclear weapons were military targets, with massive civilian casualties.

It managed to get the Japanese government's full attention, while the Tokyo fire bombings didn't. The hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians lost by using two atomic bombs saved years of war and millions of Japanese soldiers' lives.
Justify it any way you want to. I wonder if even ole Adolf himself would have green lighted that one.

The winners are always the good guys. (Just ask them!)
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Old 12-04-2018, 08:26 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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This line is all I needed to realize that you know absolutely nothing about WWII.

Literally none of this is true. Nor most of the rest of your post for that matter.
could you please elaborate?
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