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Old 12-20-2018, 09:57 AM
 
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Look, I'm sympathetic to arguments that we shouldn't be so deep in the Middle East. Mistakes were made in the past, both under Bush and Obama, thay got us in there.

But the reality is it happened. And now that we're there, we need to see certain things through to get to a point of effective withdrawal.

ISIS is no lt defeated; that's another Trump lie. When every single ranking military member, foreign policy expert, and even key GOP Senators are telling you this is a mistake, we should listen. Listening is not Donald's strong suit.

There are 2-3K US troops in Syria. That's a pretty small footprint; about half of what is on the Mexico border right now fighting a largely imaginary enemy. That footprint still had critical work to do to get ISIS to 0% effectiveness and ensure that locals are fully ready to handle their security. Military lraders on the ground are saying it was working and now was not yet the time to bail. Now that we prematurely ejected, we can be sure that ISIS will come roaring back - and Russia and Iran will step in to capitalize on the void and ratchet up threat tp Israel.
no you aren't, you're continuing to make excuses for it and using the statement as cover to sound reasonable while doing it.
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Old 12-20-2018, 09:58 AM
 
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Let Syria worry about getting rid of the rest of the rats. Until they become a problem for us again let them fight it out over there.
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Old 12-20-2018, 09:59 AM
 
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Look, I'm sympathetic to arguments that we shouldn't be so deep in the Middle East. Mistakes were made in the past, both under Bush and Obama, thay got us in there.

But the reality is it happened. And now that we're there, we need to see certain things through to get to a point of effective withdrawal.

ISIS is no lt defeated; that's another Trump lie. When every single ranking military member, foreign policy expert, and even key GOP Senators are telling you this is a mistake, we should listen. Listening is not Donald's strong suit.

There are 2-3K US troops in Syria. That's a pretty small footprint; about half of what is on the Mexico border right now fighting a largely imaginary enemy. That footprint still had critical work to do to get ISIS to 0% effectiveness and ensure that locals are fully ready to handle their security. Military lraders on the ground are saying it was working and now was not yet the time to bail. Now that we prematurely ejected, we can be sure that ISIS will come roaring back - and Russia and Iran will step in to capitalize on the void and ratchet up threat tp Israel.
Israel's PM Benjamin Netanyahu supports Trump's decision.
And nobody knows more about this subject than him.
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Old 12-20-2018, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Stasis
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ISIS will come back, Raqqa will fall, Iran is already redirecting troops to the soon to be vacated US zone, and Iran, Russia, and the Syrian government will finish off democracy freedom fighters, ISIS and the Kurds.
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Old 12-20-2018, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Russia is still there fighting ISIS. With our forces gone, there are fewer efforts to arm the "opposition," some of which was just as bad (if not worse) than ISIS.
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Old 12-20-2018, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Originally Posted by ambient View Post
Look, I'm sympathetic to arguments that we shouldn't be so deep in the Middle East. Mistakes were made in the past, both under Bush and Obama, thay got us in there.

But the reality is it happened. And now that we're there, we need to see certain things through to get to a point of effective withdrawal.

ISIS is no lt defeated; that's another Trump lie. When every single ranking military member, foreign policy expert, and even key GOP Senators are telling you this is a mistake, we should listen. Listening is not Donald's strong suit.

There are 2-3K US troops in Syria. That's a pretty small footprint; about half of what is on the Mexico border right now fighting a largely imaginary enemy. That footprint still had critical work to do to get ISIS to 0% effectiveness and ensure that locals are fully ready to handle their security. Military lraders on the ground are saying it was working and now was not yet the time to bail. Now that we prematurely ejected, we can be sure that ISIS will come roaring back - and Russia and Iran will step in to capitalize on the void and ratchet up threat tp Israel.
Sign up a go yourself......
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Old 12-20-2018, 10:00 AM
 
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ISIS will come back, Raqqa will fall, Iran is already redirecting troops to the soon to be vacated US zone, and Iran, Russia, and the Syrian government will finish off democracy freedom fighters, ISIS and the Kurds.
Okay. If all that were to happen, how will you be harmed?
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Old 12-20-2018, 10:01 AM
 
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ISIS will come back, Raqqa will fall, Iran is already redirecting troops to the soon to be vacated US zone, and Iran, Russia, and the Syrian government will finish off democracy freedom fighters, ISIS and the Kurds.
When you have fools making proclamations on foreign policy beyond your educational level - Iran supports the Kurds. Kurds are after-all essentially the cousins of Iranians.
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Old 12-20-2018, 10:02 AM
 
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So funny, HILARIOUS actually that the left is framing Iran as our enemy now when just last week it seems they were all cuddly with them. I love watching the LeftNuts turn into war mongers looking to bomb more civilians. It's comedy gold.
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Old 12-20-2018, 10:03 AM
 
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Trump has had a extremely bad week topping off a extremely bad month. How do you change the discussion? You take some sort of military action. Start a war or retreat, it doesn’t matter. As long you get everyone talking about something that doesn’t included Mueller. Leaving Syria is purely a political decision. Trump is doing a classic “Wag the Dog”.
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