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Before Trump came along and totally discredited conservatism I considered my self center/right or slightly right of center. Now I would classify myself as a "libertarian leaning independent" and disavow any connection to anything labeled "conservative" or "rightwing", or "right of center", or "right leaning", etc. And for what it's worth I think Obama did a pretty good job. He inherited the Bush recession when the economy and markets were in virtual free-fall. At the end of his 8 years the country and the economy were in pretty good shape. He deserves credit for that.
You`re blaming Obama for the recession that put so many on food stamps?
He loosened the rules/eligibility to qualify. Has nothing to do with the recession.
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And what good things have changed since Trump took office in regards to Cuba ? Obama was smart enough to realize that the past 50 odd years of isolating Cuba did nothing, it only hurt the people there, not Castro. So, Obama wisely lifted the restrictions on citizens freely traveling to Cuba, and what that did was it put a few dollars into the hands of the CUBAN PEOPLE as Americans traveled there and paid them for various services.
It's called leverage. Castro wanted nothing more to get US recognition and Obama gave it to him. Meanwhile Cuba is still running around in Venezuela, I doubt lives of people in Cuba has improved much. I'm not opposed to a 'warmer' Cuba relationship, but this can't be without conditions.
Back around 2011/2012, I coined the term, "Obama Derangement Syndrome" to describe people like you. Keep in mind, this wasn't long after the "town hall screamers" episodes over Obamacare, where seemingly insane people attended congressional meetings across the country to incoherently yell at members of Congress and, often, spout out conspiracy theories and nutball ideas like "death panels" (remember those?).
Then their tribe got Trump elected and they suddenly noticed deranged, unhinged rhetoric and behavior on the other side and they took that term I coined and refashioned. Well, good for them. I too lament the rhetoric of the folks on the left whose lives are consumed with Trump. The thing is, I have a beef with all you lunatics who actually believe that if we just put the right person in power in our government, things will be well. You folks are flip sides of the same coin. I anger the righties when I tell them government isn't the source of our problems and I anger the lefties when I tell them government isn't the cure for our problems. Broaden your minds and stop catastrophizing things like those precious "snowflakes" on college campuses.
I agree with your second paragraph 100%. There seems to be no middle ground anymore. You're either with us or you're against us, we don't want to listen to anyone with nuanced or mixed feelings on any matter.
As you said, government isn't the source of all of our problems, nor is it the cure for all of our problems. Apparently that is a news flash for far to many who spend their days screaming and hollering insults at others rather than calmly debating issues as we should.
I generally lean to the right on most issues, but I actually don't believe Obama was a bad President. He certainly wasn't the worst one we've had.
The economy was in horrible shape when Obama entered office, but it improved greatly during his term in the White House. I listen to talk radio a lot and they love to bring up how well the stock market has done since Trump took office, but yet they don't mention how it skyrocketed during Obama's Presidency.
Also, I don't believe Obamacare is a bad thing. People with pre-existing conditions can now get coverage and subsidies allow poorer Americans to get coverage. Personally, I don't mind paying higher premiums for that.
The successful Bin Laden mission happened during Obama's term, as well as thawing of our relationship with Cuba.
I just don't understand how he was a horrible President.
Before Trump came along and totally discredited conservatism I considered my self center/right or slightly right of center. Now I would classify myself as a "libertarian leaning independent" and disavow any connection to anything labeled "conservative" or "rightwing", or "right of center", or "right leaning", etc. And for what it's worth I think Obama did a pretty good job. He inherited the Bush recession when the economy and markets were in virtual free-fall. At the end of his 8 years the country and the economy were in pretty good shape. He deserves credit for that.
Pretty much the same here.
For all the talk of Obama being some socialist anti-Christ, in effect he wasn't all that different from W. Heck you could even argue he was more 'conservative' than W. If we didn't get Obamacare we were going to get Romneycare which was essentially the same.
If Trump has somehow undone his legacy with some EOs how could he possibly be the worst?
He was rational, intelligent, well spoken, and able to compromise and put forth moderates.
Once you say you like Obama, no one believes you are a conservative.
BTW Dubya was, by a large margin, the worst President since Jimmy Carter.
The problem is, most conservatives will never admit or hate to admit Obamacare and the individual mandate was a republican idea and thus give him a ton of credit
For all the talk of Obama being some socialist anti-Christ, in effect he wasn't all that different from W. Heck you could even argue he was more 'conservative' than W. If we didn't get Obamacare we were going to get Romneycare which was essentially the same.
If Trump has somehow undone his legacy with some EOs how could he possibly be the worst?
He was rational, intelligent, well spoken, and able to compromise and put forth moderates.
Obama was certainly more pro free-market than Donald "Tariff Man" Trump.
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