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the new system will NOT cost less... might have less overhead, but the cost of care , the actual care will forever be increasing.... you can not lower the cost of the care, unless you are going to nationalize every entity associated with medical care/costs and put a max salary on all individuals.....
the "new" system will still cost the same... the new parameters is that the cost will be on the minority of the individual taxpayers (there are only 80 million actual taxpayers (not tax takers) in the USA, whose population is about 330 million
The problem we have is largely a lack of preventative care. Which increases the incidence and costs of critical care.
but now you pay 500/month and your employer contribution is 1500/ month.. then you pay $10 or $20 per visit (when necessary) and maybe even a small deductible (1 or 2k)
so using those numbers you currently pay: 6k, plus a 1k deductible plus 20 per visit(copay) (if 12 visits a year 240) plus 20% (most insurance is 80/20, although some are 75/25 others are 85/15)
so your out of pocket is 7240..... and your employer pays 18k..... total cost 25k ish
under a MfA you pay ALL of that....including a copay, plus are FULLY responsible for 20% PLUS all not covered
The typical employer plan these days is a High Deductible Health Plan. Costing less than $100/month, but having a $2500/$5000 deductible and access to a tax sheltered Health Savings Account. One annual physical at no additional cost. But everything costs money out of your pocket until you reach the deductible.
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The problem we have is largely a lack of preventative care. Which increases the incidence and costs of critical care.
So since the preventative care topic is brought up.... Do you MAKE parents get their child vaccinated if there is UHC? If we are paying for their healthcare then do we have a right to insist on it? The taxpayers get hit with a $20 vaccine or a 10K measles hospital stay?
So since the preventative care topic is brought up.... Do you MAKE parents get their child vaccinated if there is UHC? If we are paying for their healthcare then do we have a right to insist on it?
We've already got a thread going on that. But yes, there is already a Supreme Court ruling that establishes mandatory vaccination as acceptable unless there's a medical exemption. Costs for childhood vaccines are minimal if not outright 'free'.
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We've already got a thread going on that. But yes, there is already a Supreme Court ruling that establishes mandatory vaccination as acceptable unless there's a medical exemption. Costs for childhood vaccines are minimal if not outright 'free'.
Sorry, haven't read that thread.. Let me guess though...there are people who will NOT vaccinate in anyway shape or form? It's a slippery slope we're going down here when folks are being told pay for someone else but yet at the same time respect their personal wishes where their own health care is being discussed.... (And on record.. I'm 100% for vaccinations).....
Are we so arrogant that we don`t want to see how other countries healthcare systems operate? Let`s see what is working well and what isn`t and go from there. We can take advantage of being left behind the other developed countries on this issue.
Are we so arrogant that we don`t want to see how other countries healthcare systems operate? Let`s see what is working well and what isn`t and go from there. We can take advantage of being left behind the other developed countries on this issue.
We know what works: taxing the middle class at very high national/federal tax rates to pay for social program goodies like Universal Health Care. But the US left-wingers won't go for it.
It's interesting to compare the effective federal income tax rate a typical worker (average income) pays in the US: 3% or less (as reported by FAS: https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R45145.pdf) and around 10-11% when payroll taxes are added, to the rate a typical worker pays in European countries. The effective national tax rate is in the second from the right column on page 9:
Profits are already skyrocketing, along with the costs, for subpar health care service.
What do we see with Canada, Eurotrashland, etc? Better results. Longer lives. Less disease disability. Less hospital admissions for preventable diseases. Better treatment of heart attacks. Fewer medical errors. Etc.
Endless waits for appointments, highly restricted access to specialists, cost containment and control, limited access to higher end pharmaceuticals, death panels, intense health care rationing, NO to requests if they are too expensive or if you are too old, A BLACK MARKET CASH ECONOMY to get the good stuff in care and drugs, TRAVELING ABROAD (they call it medical tourism!!!) to get access to specialists, advanced surgeries, advanced cancer care.
Stop with the bull$hit. Stop making believe everything is better “over there in Europe”. It’s not. They hate their health care, it sucks, you wait for weeks and months for appointments with specialists, you wait for hours and hours in understaffed clinics and offices, wait and die is the strategy of the state to keep costs CONTAINED!
And you pay through the nose, only it is hidden in general confiscatory taxation.
Endless waits for appointments, highly restricted access to specialists, cost containment and control, limited access to higher end pharmaceuticals, death panels, intense health care rationing, NO to requests if they are too expensive or if you are too old, A BLACK MARKET CASH ECONOMY to get the good stuff in care and drugs, TRAVELING ABROAD to get access to specialists, advanced surgeries, advanced cancer care.
Stop with the bull$hit. Stop making believe everything is better “over there in Europe”. It’s not. They hate their health care, it sucks, you wait for weeks and months for appointemnts with specialists, you wait for hours and hours in understaffed clinics and offices, wait and die is the strategy of the state to keep costs CONTAINED!
Sounds a lot like Veterans Administration health care in the US. So, there's your model, right there.
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