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Old 02-07-2019, 11:08 PM
 
Location: Lexington, Kentucky
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Who said 100% don’t want to pay for it?
There will be costs, but not as much as is spent with this system.

Exactly.
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Old 02-07-2019, 11:14 PM
 
Location: Lexington, Kentucky
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I'd rather give my money to a system that won't deny me care than to a useless, greedy, money-sucking middle man insurance company whose level of care they will allow is based solely on the company's profit margin.
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Old 02-08-2019, 12:26 AM
 
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If I can opt out and not pay into socialized medicine, I say I don’t care.
But the rest of society will be forced to pay for you if you're out of luck and out of money. I think you care.
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Old 02-08-2019, 12:30 AM
 
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problem is 100% don't want to pay for it. Silly poll.

BernieCare would cost roughly $13.8 trillion over its first decade of operation, roughly a 30 percent increase in federal spending.

Will you handover 30% of your income for it?
The current system cost $3.6 trillion per year. How are we paying for it? If you have employer based insurance, your employer doesnt pay for it. You pay for it by lowered wages. An employer payroll tax works the same way.
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Old 02-08-2019, 05:47 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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This is all nice but.

Big pharma OWNS congress. Yet another exclusive given on an OUT OF PATENT drug then price rises to 400K a year. The Shkreli drug is still 50X higher than before. People are dying because insulin is going up by multiples every year.

We allow debranding
We allow evergreening
We allow oligopoly based collusion.
We allow unregulated monopolies

Until you fix this, prices will be higher. Do you really think congress will stop their own big pharma gravy train?

Big hospitals the same
Out of network providers in in-network facilities
Ive NEVER had an in network E room doc even tho the hospital was in network.
In network anesthesiologist? You will find bigfoot faster.
Code skimming...
"Certificate of need" games.
Buy facilities to shut them to eliminate competition.
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Old 02-08-2019, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Just transplanted to FL from the N GA mountains
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Then you'd have a lot of people like this person:
Good. It's called Karma. When you continually want things for "free" you need to learn that nothing in life is free. They want universal healthcare I am perfectly fine with that. I'm perfectly fine with paying my fair share. What I'm not fine with is picking and choosing who PAYS for it. You breathe...you pay. Let it be a line item on your annual tax form. Right below the final tax numbers. Deduct it from a refund....Add it to the tax liability. No exceptions.
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Old 02-08-2019, 08:39 AM
 
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That's pretty much inline with how many people don't pay any federal taxes so of course they want something for free (to them).
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Old 02-08-2019, 08:51 AM
 
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Why do Americans think that single payer health care systems do not turn people down for medical care and drugs that they need? Why do they not look at the rationing that all such systems depend on to contain costs? Shouldn’t we take a good hard look at reality before we trade our system for something that is worse?

http://www.jpands.org/vol13no1/larson.pdf

https://www.healthcare-economist.com...-world-norway/

Note how many Norweigans travel abroad and/or pay additional cash for health care, because the lines are too long and the care is of low quality due to being overwhelmed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-40485724
American retard citizens: READ THIS STUFF.

Greece is always in all kinds of trouble with its collectivist bs. Single payer horror:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-g...85D1IO20120614

France’s version of single payer paradise: Is this what we think we want?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB124958049241511735

Or maybe we want Spain’s single payer nirvana:
https://euobserver.com/opinion/141711

Single payer is certainly a good solution in Canada. Or is it?
https://www.pacificresearch.org/cana...e-health-care/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypi...cal-treatment/
https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/...utionary-tale/

The Germans are masters or organization and engineering. They must have figured this out and certainly rationing is not a problem there and people certainly don’t have to wait and die due to cost containment:
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/9b0...9d303e2b18.pdf

Italy facing health care rationing and other problems:
http://www.uehp.eu/publications/members-corner/italy

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Old 02-08-2019, 08:58 AM
 
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You want Medicare for all, okay I'm in... but in this way only.....

Total cost of the program / by # of citizens in the U.S.A = X

X is the amount that EVERY US citizen pays irregardless of income. No boo-hooing about Mr. Y down the road who only makes 25K a year and it's 30% of his income. You breathe you pay X.......
Are there people who really think like this?
It is so irrational as to be ludicrous. This kind of thinking will be the undoing of the republicans. They will need to step up on this issue. Mr. Trump not only has not but is in the process of separating the poor from their lifeline to healthcare by allowing states to dump people off the ACA Medicaid which these states chose to participate in. So do they want Obamacare, or not... you can't have this half in/half out cherry pick patchwork going on, that is not the intent of extending this program.

Republicans want their exclusive little cake and to eat it too but enlightened people will see how unfair this is, hopefully next election cycle. Trump really told a Yuge lie making his healthcare promise while doing the opposite, and he should have to pay for that.
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Old 02-08-2019, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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It's telling that the one thing that wasn't asked on the poll is "If you had to pay a 60% tax rate on your income, would you still want "single payer" health care?"

Everyone wants "free chit"-so long as someone else has to pay for it.
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