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Old 03-13-2019, 12:33 PM
 
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A business has the absolute right to remove a customer who is perceived to be bad for business from its establishment. You've seen the "No shirt, no shoes, no service" sign, right? If a guy at a restaurant who is minding his own business takes out a porn magazine and starts reading it, the establishment will properly ask the guy to remove the material or leave; and rightly so. Even if other patrons have no problem or didn't notice it, the restaurant still has the obligation to do something because the presence of a questionable material is potentially bad for business.

There is also common sense that a person should exercise when out in public. You don't walk into a sports bar in Los Angeles wearing San Francisco Giants attire. You don't wear patches in certain bars if you don't belong to that group. It's likely that nothing will happen if you do it, but why take the chance? And if you do take the chance, you should have been prepared to deal with the consequence. Common sense. It's your responsibility to know what attire is controversial in what settings.

If I wear a "Hillary Clinton Rocks!!" t-shirt to a bar in Middle America. I should know full well there is a chance someone will take offense. I have every right to wear that t-shirt but other people also have their rights to dislike it, and we may clash and exercise our first amendment in unpleasant ways. And if the bar kicks me out because of my wardrobe, I'd understand. It's common sense!

Which takes this thread to certain hats that certain groups like to wear. Now, they have the absolute right to wear whatever they want to wear. But why are they so shocked when their questionable hat is causing unpleasant reactions??? If a person doesn't know said hat is highly controversial in this day and age, that person is either a moron or just woke up from a coma.

And when an establishment kicks that person out, it should not come as any surprise. The hat wearer knows full well this may happen and they took the chance. It's like someone skateboarding off a halfpipe and is shocked when he/she broke an ankle. Hey, you should have known this could happen. When you decided to do it, you took on the responsibility of a potential injury. It's life. Sorry.


And when people took offense to the hat... Errr, you didn't know that could happen?? Seriously?? Just be an adult and leave. That's what I'd do if I was in that situation. But no, they have to film it, post it online, cry about it, and be the snowflakes they always wanted to be.


But I guess for some groups, common sense, responsibility, and not being a snowflake is just too much to ask for.

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Old 03-13-2019, 01:41 PM
 
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Except that this is a one-way street. If someone wearing attire that was anti-Obama went into certain establishments and was kicked out, the entire MSM and social media would come down hard in support of the person wearing said attire. Charges of "racism" would abound.
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Old 03-13-2019, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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A business has the absolute right to remove a customer who is perceived to be bad for business from its establishment. You've seen the "No shirt, no shoes, no service" sign, right? If a guy at a restaurant who is minding his own business takes out a porn magazine and starts reading it, the establishment will properly ask the guy to remove the material or leave; and rightly so. Even if other patrons have no problem or didn't notice it, the restaurant still has the obligation to do something because the presence of a questionable material is potentially bad for business.

There is also common sense that a person should exercise when out in public. You don't walk into a sports bar in Los Angeles wearing San Francisco Giants attire. You don't wear patches in certain bars if you don't belong to that group. It's likely that nothing will happen if you do it, but why take the chance? And if you do take the chance, you should have been prepared to deal with the consequence. Common sense. It's your responsibility to know what attire is controversial in what settings.

If I wear a "Hillary Clinton Rocks!!" t-shirt to a bar in Middle America. I should know full well there is a chance someone will take offense. I have every right to wear that t-shirt but other people also have their rights to dislike it, and we may clash and exercise our first amendment in unpleasant ways. And if the bar kicks me out because of my wardrobe, I'd understand. It's common sense!

Which takes this thread to certain hats that certain groups like to wear. Now, they have the absolute right to wear whatever they want to wear. But why are they so shocked when their questionable hat is causing unpleasant reactions??? If a person doesn't know said hat is highly controversial in this day and age, that person is either a moron or just woke up from a coma.

And when an establishment kicks that person out, it should not come as any surprise. The hat wearer knows full well this may happen and they took the chance. It's like someone skateboarding off a halfpipe and is shocked when he/she broke an ankle. Hey, you should have known this could happen. When you decided to do it, you took on the responsibility of a potential injury. It's life. Sorry.


And when people took offense to the hat... Errr, you didn't know that could happen?? Seriously?? Just be an adult and leave. That's what I'd do if I was in that situation. But no, they have to film it, post it online, cry about it, and be the snowflakes they always wanted to be.


But I guess for some groups, common sense, responsibility, and not being a snowflake is just too much to ask for.

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So now people can legally get rid of blacks or gays from their establishments. Just pretend to be offended by something they are wearing.
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Old 03-13-2019, 01:49 PM
 
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There is reasoning behind no shirt, no shoes, no service and some businesses have specific dress codes.
ones personal offenses do not override the first amendment.
An unpleasant reaction to differing sports teams or political ideas might be a snide remark or eye roll not a beat down or being denied service. These things are not acceptable reactions.
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Old 03-13-2019, 02:38 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Kinda warped, I think.
Intimating that it must be OK to attack Trump supporters since "they asked for it" or "they knew the potential consequences".
Then, that wasn't stupid enough so he accuses anyone who stands up for himself of "not being an adult".


The marchers on the Selma Bridge should thank God he wasn't among their number. "LOOK! THEY DON'T LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING! RUN AWAAAAAAAAY!"
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Old 03-13-2019, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Texas
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If a business ejects every person they don't agree with or don't like what the person is wearing, they would eventually get eaten alive with negative reviews on the internet. My advice would be to pick your battles.
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Old 03-13-2019, 02:39 PM
 
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But why are they so shocked when their questionable hat is causing unpleasant reactions???

I have no problem with someone voicing their opinion about someone's hat or a business asking someone to leave.



What I have a problem with is someone being physically assaulted, pushed around or have their rights infringed upon somewhere they have every right to be.



Do you have a problem with that? If you don't then you are a hypocrite.
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Old 03-13-2019, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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The original post was a whatabout.
Did you call him out for that?
yeahhh, whatabout this
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Old 03-13-2019, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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If I wear a "Hillary Clinton Rocks!!" t-shirt to a bar in Middle America. I should know full well there is a chance someone will take offense. I have every right to wear that t-shirt but other people also have their rights to dislike it, and we may clash and exercise our first amendment in unpleasant ways. And if the bar kicks me out because of my wardrobe, I'd understand. It's common sense!

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I have just the place for you.

Gary's Chicaros......."Where the Great Whites Meet."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpqMnJHBxNA


Sad thing is I bet there's not a right winger on here that would not defend this guy. Hopefully he will make that App they are doing. You know a place that right wingers can feel "comfortable" eating.
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Old 03-13-2019, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Planet earth
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There is reasoning behind no shirt, no shoes, no service and some businesses have specific dress codes.
ones personal offenses do not override the first amendment.
An unpleasant reaction to differing sports teams or political ideas might be a snide remark or eye roll not a beat down or being denied service. These things are not acceptable reactions.

The 1st amendment does not protect a person on MY property from MY rules just as the 2nd amendment does not protect a person's right to bear arms on MY property. Those amendments exist to protect people from the government infringing upon their right, not a property owner whose property you are on.



I happen to cherish both of those rights so I would encourage a person to say whatever they want while they are carrying concealed or out in the open. All I ask is they keep their firearm holstered unless they absolutely need it for self defense or the defense of others and IF that happens, that they use good aim and know what is behind their target before pulling that trigger.


But then again, that's just MY opinion, for what it's worth.
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