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A business has the absolute right to remove a customer who is perceived to be bad for business from its establishment. You've seen the "No shirt, no shoes, no service" sign, right? If a guy at a restaurant who is minding his own business takes out a porn magazine and starts reading it, the establishment will properly ask the guy to remove the material or leave; and rightly so. Even if other patrons have no problem or didn't notice it, the restaurant still has the obligation to do something because the presence of a questionable material is potentially bad for business.
There is also common sense that a person should exercise when out in public. You don't walk into a sports bar in Los Angeles wearing San Francisco Giants attire. You don't wear patches in certain bars if you don't belong to that group. It's likely that nothing will happen if you do it, but why take the chance? And if you do take the chance, you should have been prepared to deal with the consequence. Common sense. It's your responsibility to know what attire is controversial in what settings.
If I wear a "Hillary Clinton Rocks!!" t-shirt to a bar in Middle America. I should know full well there is a chance someone will take offense. I have every right to wear that t-shirt but other people also have their rights to dislike it, and we may clash and exercise our first amendment in unpleasant ways. And if the bar kicks me out because of my wardrobe, I'd understand. It's common sense!
Which takes this thread to certain hats that certain groups like to wear. Now, they have the absolute right to wear whatever they want to wear. But why are they so shocked when their questionable hat is causing unpleasant reactions??? If a person doesn't know said hat is highly controversial in this day and age, that person is either a moron or just woke up from a coma.
And when an establishment kicks that person out, it should not come as any surprise. The hat wearer knows full well this may happen and they took the chance. It's like someone skateboarding off a halfpipe and is shocked when he/she broke an ankle. Hey, you should have known this could happen. When you decided to do it, you took on the responsibility of a potential injury. It's life. Sorry.
And when people took offense to the hat... Errr, you didn't know that could happen?? Seriously?? Just be an adult and leave. That's what I'd do if I was in that situation. But no, they have to film it, post it online, cry about it, and be the snowflakes they always wanted to be.
But I guess for some groups, common sense, responsibility, and not being a snowflake is just too much to ask for.
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Like when blacks went to the lunch counter and made people uncomfortable? Of when interracial and same sex couples are seen in a restaurant, when they kiss it makes people uncomfortable.
When an establishment kicks them out, it should not come as any surprise, right?
If a business ejects every person they don't agree with or don't like what the person is wearing, they would eventually get eaten alive with negative reviews on the internet. My advice would be to pick your battles.
Exactly. Why go through all that unnecessarily. It's just some of us loose sight of reality let our emotions do the talking,and reacting. Just from the business standpoint one would want to get all,- inclusive.
No, because there is a law against kicking people out based on race. The things you described are highly race/religion specific, so you can't do that. It's the law. Race, gender, age, religion are protected category. Just as you can't kick a woman out of a restaurant for wearing a dress because that is gender specific (Yes, men can wear dresses but women are commonly associated with dresses).
A MAGA hat, is not race specific. In fact, Trump himself argued many different races wear the hat. When a thing is NOT race/sex/age/religion/ specific, a business has every right to not serve that customer based on that thing.
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So, what happened to freedom of speech, you know that pesky 1st that appears to only be subject to those that hate trump?
I'd bet you'd be first in line to burn the American flag....since that's been ruled to be freedom of speech....
But, what can we expect from the left these days? It's the person wearing the MAGA hat that invoked his beating by wearing the hat.....
i'm sorry.... I fail to see the connection between right wing and proper attire!!
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Originally Posted by beb0p
A business has the absolute right to remove a customer who is perceived to be bad for business from its establishment. You've seen the "No shirt, no shoes, no service" sign, right? If a guy at a restaurant who is minding his own business takes out a porn magazine and starts reading it, the establishment will properly ask the guy to remove the material or leave; and rightly so. Even if other patrons have no problem or didn't notice it, the restaurant still has the obligation to do something because the presence of a questionable material is potentially bad for business.
There is also common sense that a person should exercise when out in public. You don't walk into a sports bar in Los Angeles wearing San Francisco Giants attire. You don't wear patches in certain bars if you don't belong to that group. It's likely that nothing will happen if you do it, but why take the chance? And if you do take the chance, you should have been prepared to deal with the consequence. Common sense. It's your responsibility to know what attire is controversial in what settings.
If I wear a "Hillary Clinton Rocks!!" t-shirt to a bar in Middle America. I should know full well there is a chance someone will take offense. I have every right to wear that t-shirt but other people also have their rights to dislike it, and we may clash and exercise our first amendment in unpleasant ways. And if the bar kicks me out because of my wardrobe, I'd understand. It's common sense!
Which takes this thread to certain hats that certain groups like to wear. Now, they have the absolute right to wear whatever they want to wear. But why are they so shocked when their questionable hat is causing unpleasant reactions??? If a person doesn't know said hat is highly controversial in this day and age, that person is either a moron or just woke up from a coma.
And when an establishment kicks that person out, it should not come as any surprise. The hat wearer knows full well this may happen and they took the chance. It's like someone skateboarding off a halfpipe and is shocked when he/she broke an ankle. Hey, you should have known this could happen. When you decided to do it, you took on the responsibility of a potential injury. It's life. Sorry.
And when people took offense to the hat... Errr, you didn't know that could happen?? Seriously?? Just be an adult and leave. That's what I'd do if I was in that situation. But no, they have to film it, post it online, cry about it, and be the snowflakes they always wanted to be.
But I guess for some groups, common sense, responsibility, and not being a snowflake is just too much to ask for.
No, because there is a law against kicking people out based on race. The things you described are highly race/religion specific, so you can't do that. It's the law. Race, gender, age, religion are protected category. Just as you can't kick a woman out of a restaurant for wearing a dress because that is gender specific (Yes, men can wear dresses but women are commonly associated with dresses).
A MAGA hat, is not race specific. In fact, Trump himself argued many different races wear the hat. When a thing is NOT race/sex/age/religion/ specific, a business has every right to not serve that customer based on that thing.
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Just for the record I'm not talking about the legality. You seem to be saying as long as a persons identity is covered by law as a protected class business owners/individuals are morally ok not acting on their personal biases but if ones identity or belief is not protected by law it is morally and socially acceptable to kick someone out of your establishment (or worse) based on your personal biases. In other words the only thing keeping us behaving in a civilized manner are laws imposed by a governing body.
It seems like we have evolved as far as we can and now are reverting back to Homo erectus.
Yes we get it. No one said anything about rights. Legal or not the point was its not acceptable behavior. No one should be afraid to patronize a business due to their political beliefs, religion, culture, language, etc.
So your entire set of thoughts on this are based upon emotion, based upon what you think is moral and immoral? The rights of the individuals and the property owner be damned? Well... why didn't you just proclaim this is all about your "feelings"? Had you done that I would have avoided your trolling posts because your feelings don't matter when it comes to legal or illegal.
But then again, that's just MY opinion, for what it's worth.
So, what happened to freedom of speech, you know that pesky 1st that appears to only be subject to those that hate trump?
I'd bet you'd be first in line to burn the American flag....since that's been ruled to be freedom of speech....
But, what can we expect from the left these days? It's the person wearing the MAGA hat that invoked his beating by wearing the hat.....
Reading is fundamental.
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
No where in that does it say nothing shall impede. The limitation was placed upon government, as it is in each State Constitution as well.
But then again, that's just MY opinion, for what it's worth.
Okay, you guys, no "save the planet" tee shirt people in my imaginary restaurant and if you go to the drive through to get your food I'm shoving it in a plastic bag with a plastic straw, like it or lump it!
Oh yeah, and if you have a bumper sticker that's pro-choice, I'm going to ask if you want a dead baby with your fries and ask your little keeper kid if he/she knows why he has no older brother or sister. But, I will not assault you or spit in your food. That's just rude. I will happily take your money, say "Have a nice day!"
So your entire set of thoughts on this are based upon emotion, based upon what you think is moral and immoral? The rights of the individuals and the property owner be damned? Well... why didn't you just proclaim this is all about your "feelings"? Had you done that I would have avoided your trolling posts because your feelings don't matter when it comes to legal or illegal.
But then again, that's just MY opinion, for what it's worth.
Its my opinion, for whats it worth, emotion doesn't enter into it.
Again I'm not talking about the law, but right and wrong, rational and irrational so obviously I'm not saying individuals and business owners should not have rights. Legally, they don't have absolute rights to refuse service or toss someone from their premise but that is irrelevant.
I'm not sure you are using trolling posts correctly here.
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