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don't forget the fasio-socialist liberals will never tell you these few other pieces of history
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When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. – Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President of the United States
the 2nd amendment is very specific.........the RIGHT of the PEOPLE shall not be INFRINGED
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""""That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and their own state, or the United States, or for the purpose of killing game; and no law shall be passed for disarming the people or any of them, unless for crimes committed, or real danger of public injury from individuals ..."""-- James Madison
This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future! – Adolph Hitler, 1935, on The Weapons Act of Nazi Germany
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"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subordinate people to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subordinate people to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country." --Adolf Hitler, dinner talk on April 11, 1942, quoted in Hitler's Table Talk 1941-44: His Private Conversations
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"Waiting periods are only a step.
Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal." Janet Reno
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"Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed
when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed." Sarah Brady
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"We're bending the law as far as we can
to ban... guns." Rahm Emmanuel
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"There is no reason for anyone in this country -- anyone except a police officer or military person -- to buy, to own, to have, to use a handgun. The only way to control handgun use in this country is to prohibit all guns." Bill Clinton
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"A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the people." Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
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"If the opposition (citizen) disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves." Josef Stalin
interesting how the liberals, fascists, nazi's, communists are the ones who want gun control....hmm
the anti-gun people (and yes many are liberals) never can figure out that they are hurting the law abiding citizens, because crooks/criminals/scum dont care about the laws or restrictions on getting a gun
Communist Rules for Revolution:
1. Corrupt the young; get them away from religion. Get them interested in sex. Make them superficial; destroy their ruggedness.
2. By specious argument cause the breakdown of old moral virtues; honesty, sobriety, continence, faith in the pledged word, ruggedness.
3. Encourage civil disorders and foster a lenient and soft attitude on the part of government toward such disorders.
4. Divide the people into hostile groups by constantly harping on controversial matters of no importance.
5. Get people's minds off their government by focusing their attention on athletics, sexy books, plays, and other trivialities.
6. Get control of all means of publicity.
7. Destroy the people's faith in their natural leaders by holding the latter up to contempt, ridicule and obloquy (disgrace).
8. Cause the registration of all firearms on some pretext, with a view to confiscation and leaving the population helpless.
yep liberals (fascists) and their goal to disarm the people
and they cant even figure out what the 2nd amendment means.. or how abolishing it would also abolish the 1st, 4th, and 5th amendments too
I'm not afraid of dying in a vehicle crash, because the intended purpose of motor vehicles is transportation, not putting bullet holes in people. You are comparing apples and oranges to build a strawman against me
More cases of people dying at the hands of another when automobiles are involved than firearms.
10s of thousands to be exact.
No it's not a straw man. It's your logic applied to a different inanimate object.
"reasonable" lets talk about that. Actually let's talk about reality more so.
Pro ban gun people's idea of reasonable is in discussion they talk and we listen, their idea of compromise is they take and we give. If we refuse, we are being unreasonable and a extremist. They sometimes use other derogatory terms toward us also.
When we show them facts based on logic as in reality, they say we are being unreasonable.
But here are some facts in reality. The AR-15 has become the most popular rifle among law abiding citizens, go to the range and half the lanes you will see one. To ban them, would create hundreds of thousands of instant criminals who never did anything wrong in their life before. To actually get the guns out of the hands of these owners would be difficult to say the least.
Reality, these maniacs choose unarmed people to massacre, who can't or won't fight back, so they are going to be massacred even i a semi auto gun is not used because no one is fighting back so the maniac has all the control and time to do what they will do.
Reality, the AR-15 rifle and other semi auto rifles are no more lethal than other types of guns, there is nothing magically special or lethal for what has been deemed "assault rifles" the only thing they have is detachable magazines that can carry 20, 30 or so rounds but when attacking unarmed people who can't or won't fight back "firepower" doesn't give much of a advantage , because no one is fighting back.
Reality, "assault" is a action not a item. If someone attacks someone with a AR-15 they are assaulting, if someone defends themself with a AR-15 it is a defensive action.
So given those realities, how is it reasonable to give into pro ban the gun people's demands?
The reality is much starker than that. Both parties are talking without listening...BOTH. the issue has become so polarized along partisan lines that all of you are ready to call each other rigid without even knowing if you're fellow firearms owners or not. It's now all Liberal Democrats are "grabbers" when I'm sure you must know that's impossible to determine with any accuracy with very probably a large percentage of them being owners themselves.
Just as assuredly not all Conservative Republicans are strict 2nd amendment constitutionalists.
It is those middle ground people that must get engaged and bring reason to the dialogue. Laws already in existence not being observed or enforced....why not? If they're untenable or ineffective get rid of them and enact ones that are.
Crafting new legislation to piggy back upon laws already ineffective is nothing more than placebo vote buying that sensible Americans see right through as nonsense and would object strenuously.
Someone sometime needs to stand up and say let's have a discussion without the banter and rancor using a clean slate starting with the rights granted by the 2nd amendment and working through the parts of adhering to that amendment that serve to threaten rather then secure your society. A total firearm ban in a country that has from it's genesis used them as tools is out of the question.
Enacting controls in the same way only certified people get to work with dynamite is both approachable and possible. The systems are already there for the requirement of training and certification of CCW's and PCL's to expand upon.
There is not one person on this forum who would allow his child to just pick up a firearm and go hunting with it UNLESS parental guidance and instruction had been done with the child demonstrating careful responsibility and due diligence.
I can't. I was never a fast runner and after a stage injury during the Obama-McCain election, my running days are over.
My options are now limited to whatever I can use to avoid him and if not that, then take him out.
What do you tell the other people who are not fast runners?
Running. Yet another ridiculous defensive option put out by someone who has ever been in a defensive situation. I have had to use lethal force against human attack once in my life. Running was NOT an option. I was cornered and facing 2 armed assailants. One with a gun one with a knife. Thankfully I was also armed.
Whe I lived o my ranch I kept my AR and my Mossberg 930 shotgun handy in the house. There was a lot of open space around the place and I used both firearms to deal with outside disturbances, usually involving coyotes. There were a couple other cases of transients wandering in off the highway a couple miles away who's motives were more than questionable and the AR was my first choice.
Of course when out and about a handgun is the first choice. I carry a 1911 or a SW mod 66 4 inch. If threatened by an armed attacker, be he have a gun himself or a hammer I'm going to confront him. Not try to run. My running days have been over since I was 18 and my right leg was crushed in a motorcycle accident.
A fight is a foregone conclusion if I am attacked. The poster you were responding to here is grasping at straws' He has no idea what being in a ....situation...can entail. The only sure thing is that if you have any sort of preemptive plan in your mind it's sure to fly into pieces. "There's always a plan till the s*** hits the fan." Plans that include running.
Imagine waking up and watching the news to find out you are about to become a felon by default. Wait, those of us in CA and NY already know that feeling.
YOU GOT THAT RIGHT!
Now they want to take out the electoral college so the coast liberals will stay in power forever!
Goodbye:
Constitution
Gas powered anything
Oil and NG independence
beef
freedom
Hello:
mob rule
higher taxes
gun confiscations
full blown communism under the guise of democratic socialism which they claim is different, yet isn't.
BIG BROTHER on steroids
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Yet another ridiculous defensive option put out by someone who has ever been in a defensive situation. I have had to use lethal force against human attack once in my life. Running was NOT an option. I was cornered and facing 2 armed assailants. One with a gun one with a knife. Thankfully I was also armed. 
