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Old 03-28-2019, 08:55 AM
 
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These are excellent ideas - especially #3. People who can't get insurance because of pre-X conditions will be guaranteed Medicaid. They will also be required to pay for it, up to the Obamacare premium.

And before y'all start complaining that it's not "fair" for pre-X people to be forced into Medicaid, in some cases you will get better coverage than if you were on Obamacare. The specialist I have to pay for in cash because he doesn't accept OBamacare does accept Medicaid - and they have every little test covered.
In other places there are few doctors which accept Medicaid. It's all a roulette patchwork system, it is chaotic and we should be ashamed of a wealthy developed country like US to have such a tenuous health care system. ACA made it better for some, worse for others, but going back is not the answer. We need to move forward.
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Old 03-28-2019, 08:58 AM
 
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The time and money wasted on the fake collusion accusation investigation delayed that. ENJOY!
Right. If the republicans really had something worthwhile to replace it, they would have and should have pushed it through. The fact is, they complained and whined for years and when they are in power, they go limp. Look at Paul Ryan.....just a joke of a man who talked tough but can't perform when it's his turn.
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Old 03-28-2019, 10:22 AM
 
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The basic problem is that selfishness, greed (unregulated capitalism) and decent healthcare just don't go together. This combo ends up with the worst of all worlds....

Granted, true means-testing could save 100's of billions. But Americans are generally against true means testing as they seen their taxes and net worth as "private". The people with enough money to have 10 shell corporations are always going to get away with stuff. Even someone who bought Gold and buried it in their back yard can claim they are broke.

Smarter people than we (us here on CD) have pondered these things for decades and that is why the only system which will work is health care for all taken out of relatively fair taxation (VAT of one type or another).

Apologies in advance, but anyone who talks about "forcing healthy people to have insurance" is in the stone age. Not worth discussing......because they are talking 2 + 2, while the real game is more like chess (trillions of moves).

People game systems. People also make the wrong decisions. We have a family member right now near the end and she/he wants to spend ZERO of their own money, but rather wants to give it to their single selfish older son who is single and lives in a 5 bedroom house with 8 TV's and a cadillac.

Because she is from the depression era and now into dementia that is what she thinks is the best value - for her to suffer through and he to get more consumer stuff he doesn't need.

An enlightened system would take better care of her and not have a single selfish son and her declining mental outlook make the end-of-life decisions. No, she doesn't want intervention. But it sure would be nice for her to be comfortable.
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Old 03-28-2019, 11:04 AM
 
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You liberals keep saying "fix the problem," ignoring the fact that there is NO way to fix it without making low-income people responsible in some way for at least a minisucle amount of care - starting with their use of the ER for ordinary ailments. Poor people, in cities at least, need to be trained to go to walk-in clinics that are scattered all over. Instead, they go to the ER because it's more convenient, and why not? Someone else pays for it.

And if corporations were making sky-high profits, as you say.....good! They're obviously providing in-demand services, while creating jobs, helping build the retirement portfolios of middle earners, and putting more into the economy. Why should American corporations have to pay so much more in taxes than if they were to go out of the country, bringing jobs with them?
1.corporations first responsibility is to their CEOs and shareholders.profit goes to the top and maybe trickles down.

tariffs impact manufacturing in this country



2.most walk in demand payment of fifty dollars and up before being seen and or insurance.most emergency rooms do not
and as a professional and user of both am not debating this with you
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Old 03-28-2019, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Let’s hear your solutions.
Be specific.
Most conservatives don't spend much time thinking about these things. It's far easier to attack a proposal than to create one.
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Old 03-28-2019, 11:19 AM
 
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1.corporations first responsibility is to their CEOs and shareholders.profit goes to the top and maybe trickles down.

tariffs impact manufacturing in this country



2.most walk in demand payment of fifty dollars and up before being seen and or insurance.most emergency rooms do not
and as a professional and user of both am not debating this with you
When did I ever say ERs demand payment? That's the problem! The most expensive form of delivery is the one that is FREE to low-income. We are "training" poor people to use the most expensive medical care and then have other people pay for it.

And are you a liberal? The way you claim "I am not debating you" is the way liberals shut down opposing opinions.
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Old 03-28-2019, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Florida
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vindictive Ness of this administration has no bounds

this will preventive our loved ones fighting serious or any preexisting conditions from getting health insurance and getting better.So drumf supporters will this please you all (at least while you are healthy ? )
Should he do this, I think it will strike rural counties especially hard--they have enough trouble attracting physicians and facilities as it is. Those in nursing homes on Medicaid will have to think about finding a new place to be cared for--hope the relatives are all ready to take in ailing Grandma. Forget about the rehab clinics that could help opiate addicts break their addictions, which I believe affects middle and rural America as much as everyone else.

And I'm sure the subsidies helped a large number of people--including members of the middle class that do not receive health insurance through their employers or freelance.

Even with a Trump-stacked court, I have a difficult time believing that those justices would rip away everyone's health insurance and most likely leave the industry and stock market in chaos.

I don't think Trump has a clue what would replace it or what ripping this entire system out of the country will do. On the other hand--he'll be knocking himself out of contention for 2020, as most of America is happy with the ACA, and would be quite upset if a dictator in chief simply woke up one morning and decided it would be a good idea to screw up everyone's life. This is reflective of extremely poor judgement, ugly temperament and of course, a childish and vindictive way to seek revenge on Obama, who is still beating him in the polls.
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Old 03-28-2019, 11:44 AM
 
Location: The Beautiful Pocono Mountains
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Many of these poor not only accept their lot, but they beat themselves over the head with it.

I have a couple friends that are docs or volunteers at the temp rural clinics. Here is what much of Trumps base does for health care:
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/v...appalachia-ang

Everyone should read this and carefully study the pictures and scenarios. THIS is the "Republican Plan".
Here is a direct quote from the article you attached:

five factors that contribute to premature death, according to a 2007 study published in the New England Journal of Medicine: behaviors (40 percent), genetics (30 percent), social circumstances (15 percent), health care (10 percent) and environmental exposures (5 percent).

That is what they’ve found. Obamacare or any other plan is not going to help these people. Most of them anyway.

They live in an area where there is no care. Getting to care is an unattainable venture for them. Add to the other thing the article pointed out. They can’t afford Obamacare and make too much for Medicaid. So not only did the ACA make insurance unaffordable for these people to obtain, it put a tax on them for not having it. Add to this the millions that are paying exorbitant amounts for premiums since the advent of Obamacare, but now due to that and the unaffordable deductibles, people can’t use it.

This article shows the very reason it needs to go.
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Old 03-28-2019, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Here is a direct quote from the article you attached:

five factors that contribute to premature death, according to a 2007 study published in the New England Journal of Medicine: behaviors (40 percent), genetics (30 percent), social circumstances (15 percent), health care (10 percent) and environmental exposures (5 percent).

That is what they’ve found. Obamacare or any other plan is not going to help these people. Most of them anyway.

They live in an area where there is no care. Getting to care is an unattainable venture for them. Add to the other thing the article pointed out. They can’t afford Obamacare and make too much for Medicaid. So not only did the ACA make insurance unaffordable for these people to obtain, it put a tax on them for not having it. Add to this the millions that are paying exorbitant amounts for premiums since the advent of Obamacare, but now due to that and the unaffordable deductibles, people can’t use it.

This article shows the very reason it needs to go.
Are you referring to a problem created by Republicans refusing funding for Medicaid expansion?
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Old 03-28-2019, 11:54 AM
 
Location: The Beautiful Pocono Mountains
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Are you referring to a problem created by Republicans refusing funding for Medicaid expansion?
Nope. I am referring to exactly what lies on the shoulders of Obama and Nacy and the like.
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