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Well if that was the plan, then it worked because we surely have a discussion going.
Look, I don't care about the meeting. Have all the meetings they need. But don't get outside the law unless you want to exacerbate the race relations in the town. If you do not believe in 2019 that a blacks only sign is equivalent to a whites only sign, then we will NEVER agree on this topic.
I don't understand your reasoning. You don't care about a blacks only meeting....you just care about them being truthful about it?. I mean, moral law vs civil law, you seem worried more about civil law but civil law does not necessarily line up with moral law. Slavery was civil law, but violated moral law. I am more concerned about moral law than civil law. My point being that, morally, blacks having black only meetings is generally different from whites having white only meetings on the grounds of moral law.
Can you think of any whites that would want to have "white only" meeting who are not white supremacist or racist? What would be the agenda? Blacks wanting to get together with blacks, without the influence of other input or opinion, to help blacks reach socioeconomic equality and recover from the legacy of centuries of racial oppression is not morally equivalent to whites getting whites together in white only meeting or groups.
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Segregation and discrimination by skin color seems a rather odd way of "taking responsibility".
And yet, it is an argument that is often made in this forum. Black people should "Stop frequenting white businesses" and start their own, and other comments along those lines. Take pride in your community, cut your lawns and fix broken street lights, blah blah blah.
Alienating white people as if the entire race are the enemy, and forming tribes and Bulkanizing the nation along racial lines is not a solution. All that does is exacerbate the very problems you think exist.
Well....kind of like whites wanting to be able to use the N word on the bases that blacks can use the word towards each other. That's white alienation. Whites have a history of exploration and being "boundless". You are not use to there being places that you can't go or things that you can't do that others can go and do. The fact that many argue that whites should be able to use the N word because blacks use it on themselves and in their music.....is a microcosm of this mentality. Ergo, if blacks can go there....dam it....we can to and we will. But what is your need to do so? Why is there even a desire to do so?
You can't do everything that we do....just because we can do it. What kind of rational for doing something is that? Just accept that there are things that blacks can do, because of history, that whites can't do. You can't....can you? Well, then how can you accept being denied a loan, because of a bad credit history knowing that people with a good credit history are able to get loans? The past impacts on how we view and judge things in the present. Whats clear to me is that whites want the history of what their society did to blacks expunged from their record. In fact, they already have expunged it and have a problem with blacks because we have not, mainly because we are still suffering from the legacy of that crime. Whites talk like our histories have been the same in this country...again....like a person with a bad credit history totally ignoring that history and arguing that its a double standard that the guy with the good credit history should get a loan.....when they both applied.
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Can you honestly say those black politicians you have in mind did it on their own though ? The few examples people like you post tend to be one black person surrounded by 40 white people trying to use the power of the black community to their advantage.
Dont get me wrong, i think your argument in its entirety is some weird version of race bating, but your argument doesnt even make sense when it comes to blaming black politicians when the same white people in power around the few black politicians dont change.
lol - still blaming Whitey for the failures of black politicians. How original!
Well....kind of like whites wanting to be able to use the N word on the bases that blacks can use the word towards each other. That's white alienation. Whites have a history of exploration and being "boundless". You are not use to there being places that you can't go or things that you can't do that others can go and do. The fact that many argue that whites should be able to use the N word because blacks use it on themselves and in their music.....is a microcosm of this mentality. Ergo, if blacks can go there....dam it....we can to and we will. But what is your need to do so? Why is there even a desire to do so?
You can't do everything that we do....just because we can do it. What kind of rational for doing something is that? Just accept that there are things that blacks can do, because of history, that whites can't do. You can't....can you? Well, then how can you accept being denied a loan, because of a bad credit history knowing that people with a good credit history are able to get loans? The past impacts on how we view and judge things in the present. Whats clear to me is that whites want the history of what their society did to blacks expunged from their record. In fact, they already have expunged it and have a problem with blacks because we have not, mainly because we are still suffering from the legacy of that crime. Whites talk like our histories have been the same in this country...again....like a person with a bad credit history totally ignoring that history and arguing that its a double standard that the guy with the good credit history should get a loan.....when they both applied.
Sorry it all flew over your head. It's wrong to perpetuate the notion that we are still living under slavery and all white people are evil, because all you will do is reinforce stereotypes and prejudice.
I don't understand your reasoning. You don't care about a blacks only meeting....you just care about them being truthful about it?. I mean, moral law vs civil law, you seem worried more about civil law but civil law does not necessarily line up with moral law. Slavery was civil law, but violated moral law. I am more concerned about moral law than civil law. My point being that, morally, blacks having black only meetings is generally different from whites having white only meetings on the grounds of moral law.
Can you think of any whites that would want to have "white only" meeting who are not white supremacist or racist? What would be the agenda? Blacks wanting to get together with blacks, without the influence of other input or opinion, to help blacks reach socioeconomic equality and recover from the legacy of centuries of racial oppression is not morally equivalent to whites getting whites together in white only meeting or groups.
So you want special dispensation for black people from laws that protect all Americans from discrimination based on race? The law is the law.
Sorry it all flew over your head. It's wrong to perpetuate the notion that we are still living under slavery and all white people are evil, because all you will do is reinforce stereotypes and prejudice.
Why do you need hyperbole to make your point? What perpetuates the notion that we are still living under slavery and when has it been said or implied that all whites are evil, from anything that I have said? The only thing that I have been pointing out is that blacks have problems that people are constantly noting. If problems are of note for a race of people, then fixing those problems will require a FOCUS of note on that race. Any action or policy that FOCUSES on race is inherently discriminatory against those races out of focus. Thus, you can't win as black people trying to recover from past damage because this society refuses any means of FOCUS to resolve the problems blacks are facing, weather the focused energy for the solution is expected from whites, expected from the government or expected from blacks themselves.....whites will object to the effort and focus as being discriminatory or a waste of effort. That only leaves me to conclude that many whites must still be racist....if they are against blacks getting any type of focused energy to uplift them.
So you want special dispensation for black people from laws that protect all Americans from discrimination based on race? The law is the law.
So was slavery the law. The law was used by whites to oppress blacks. Now whites are using this law to keep blacks from rising from the oppressed state. What I am talking about is moral law.
ID seems to believe he is a victim. Doesn't want to learn anything. Just wants an audience, which he gets until members of CD figure this out.
Everyone who post is seeking an audience or to be heard or they would keep their thoughts to themselves. Hence, you are making a distinction without a difference in your attempt to disparage my motives.
I am no more a victim than those that you feel are the victims of liberalism. No "ism" produces victims...not communism, Marxism, racism, liberalism, socialism...ect. Right? Or is it only the "ism" of race that does not produce victims?
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