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Old 04-03-2019, 09:29 AM
 
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We're not talking about "any company" or "breaking the law". We're talking about morals clauses being part and parcel of teacher contracts. As you can see, 19th Century standards or not, that those clauses are there, in most cases embodied in state statute and not just as a contract clause.

And yeah, teachers are still held to 19th Century standards whether you, or I, like it or not.


If she prevails, which is unlikely, and is reinstated I can tell you exactly what will happen. Parents will start complaining that their kid is in her class. The administration will quietly put her on intensive supervision and she'll be processed out. Legally and by the book.
She's going to win.
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Old 04-03-2019, 09:31 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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She's going to win.
Wish in one hand and **** in the other and see which one fills up first.

If she does, which would be a precedent, then she'll be processed out in two years.
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Old 04-03-2019, 09:39 AM
 
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Wish in one hand and **** in the other and see which one fills up first.

If she does, which would be a precedent, then she'll be processed out in two years.
It will not be precedent setting.

Lesbian Teacher Wins $170,000 Court Award From Cincinnati Archdiocese
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Old 04-03-2019, 09:40 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Different situation turning on civil rights law.
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Old 04-03-2019, 09:50 AM
 
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Different situation turning on civil rights law.
They were fired over a morality clause. If a church can't fire someone over this you think a public school will prevail?

P.S. it's always different isn't it?
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Old 04-03-2019, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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I wonder if teachers are fired for shacking up, sex outside of marriage, adultery, divorce, speeding, dui, etc. Are homosexual teachers fired? Having a morals clause in this highly immoral culture is beyond crazy.
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Old 04-03-2019, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Wish in one hand and **** in the other and see which one fills up first.

If she does, which would be a precedent, then she'll be processed out in two years.
Women are allowed to go topless in NYS, its not a morals issue and if it is they need to fire any male teachers that have topless photos.


There is no proof that she sent the picture to the student in any case, if the district could prove that they might have a case. I would love to be her lawyer, she is in for a big win.
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Old 04-03-2019, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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one of the (several) reasons that I could never have become a teacher
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Old 04-03-2019, 10:00 AM
 
Location: southern california
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The internet posting can get you fired in a jiffy
It is like tattoos
Fun,sexy, spur of the moment
And permanent
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Old 04-03-2019, 10:11 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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They were fired over a morality clause. If a church can't fire someone over this you think a public school will prevail?

P.S. it's always different isn't it?
Your problem is that you know what you know and much of the time it's wrong. Across a wide range of subjects.

I taught for over thirty years so I have both experience and knowledge with these issues. You, on the other hand, went to school.

You dismissed the summary of state laws I posted which showed the vast majority have morals clauses as factors for termination.

And yes, it is different. Your story didn't even make the claim, except in the lead paragraph, that the contractual morals clause was disregarded. What it did., however, make clear was that the case was decided on whether the diocese violated anti discrimination statutes on pregnancy. The morals clause wasn't decided. It sounds like the diocese used artificial insemination as the cause for termination. Had they used out of wedlock pregnancy as the reason, which has been upheld in every case, they would have probably won.

When school systems can legally fire teachers for posting a picture of themselves on social media holding a beer then do you really believe a topless shot will be no harm, no foul?

I realize you enjoy being a contrarian but root it in reality.
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