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Old 04-30-2019, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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So now it's a fetus after delivery?

The question of the conversation's content and the need for new legislation to accommodate decisions reached during that discussion was posed to you.
I thought all embryos, fetuses, and babies are "life" according to Pro-lifers.

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A fetus or foetus (/ˈfiːtəs/; plural fetuses, feti, foetuses or foeti) is the unborn offspring of an animal that develops from an embryo. Following embryonic development the fetal stage of development takes place. In human prenatal development, fetal development begins from the ninth week after fertilisation (or eleventh week gestational age) and continues until birth
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetus

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Old 04-30-2019, 07:05 PM
 
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It wasn't false. He used his own words, a synonym if you will, for what the guy actually said. If you want to argue grammar on this issue you're arguing the wrong thing.
It was inaccurate hyperbole, at a minimum, or a bald-faced lie to rally up anger in his base, at worst.

"Execute" is no synonym for providing comfort to a terminal baby!



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A synonym is a word or phrase that means exactly or nearly the same as another lexeme (word or phrase) in the same language.
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Old 04-30-2019, 07:12 PM
 
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No.

I was thinking that some premature babies born in the third trimester have trouble breathing, and if left to struggle on their own they will die. However, with a little assistance they will survive those first few hours after birth and be able to go home in a week or so. I have two perfectly healthy grandsons in grade school now, who were born premature.

I think more than a few late term abortions are based on the knowledge that the baby has a deformity. Envision a mother who knows her third trimester baby has spina bifida, and it's born in a botched abortion, where it has trouble breathing. So mom and doctor are having the conversation Northam described. You can fill in the rest.
Your post showcases the misunderstanding of what exactly goes on in a maternity ward. All babies born premature, who have a good chance are assisted with ventilation.


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How common or uncommon are abortions at this stage of pregnancy?
Conti: According to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, abortions after 21 weeks make up less than 1.3% of all abortions in the United States. This means that abortions that occur beyond 24 weeks make up less than 1% of all procedures.
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Can you explain why abortions happen later in a pregnancy?
There are many reasons why women may need to access abortion later in pregnancy, including maternal health endangerment, diagnosis of fetal abnormalities or restrictive laws delaying earlier access to abortion care. Those exceptionally rare cases that happen after 24 weeks are often because a fetus has a condition that cannot be treated and will never be able to survive -- regardless of the gestational age or trimester.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/06/healt...ner/index.html
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Old 04-30-2019, 07:15 PM
 
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Such is done to people all the time. In fact, ERs do EXACTLY what is being deliberately denied to the born alive infants whose mothers/families decide they don't want them... medical care that preserves and sustains life whereas the patient would otherwise die. Letting a born alive infant die due to lack of medical care is infanticide.
Your post is all misinformation and misunderstanding of what really goes on. Please read or ask a local OB doctor, anyone but trump.

Trump just is using whopper lies to "urinate" off his voting base enough to vote for him again.
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Old 04-30-2019, 07:16 PM
 
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Wait... Are you suddenly AGAINST "Medicare for ALL?" Seems lefties have no problem with forcing others to fund that. This is the same thing.
Would you agree to Medicare for all if we outlawed abortions except those for life threatening medical conditions, rape, or incest?
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Old 04-30-2019, 07:19 PM
 
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My full-term youngest had respiration issues at birth and could not breathe without assistance. Without medical intervention, youngest would have died (THANK GOD the hospital staff put youngest on a respirator immediately and didn't assume I could "choose" to just let youngest die).
Yes, this is the medical provided to all viable babies born unlike what trump described in the lie he told.

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Old 04-30-2019, 07:22 PM
 
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Cancer surgery and/or treatment? Nope. Either one lives on one's own without medical intervention or one is left to die because one is nonviable. Treat everyone the same as born alive babies who are left to die if they're supposedly nonviable, as well. Equal Protection Clause.
This is not a thread about insurance companies denying life saving surgeries. However, if you start such a thread, I would look forward to posting on it.
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Old 04-30-2019, 07:23 PM
 
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Insulin for diabetics? Nope. Either one lives on one's own without medical intervention or one is left to die because one is nonviable. Treat everyone the same as born alive babies who are left to die if they're supposedly nonviable, as well. Equal Protection Clause.
Again, this is not a thread about people dying because they cannot afford the exorbitant prices pharmaceutical companies are charging. But would love to contribute to such a thread after you start one.
Woman says her son couldn't afford his insulin – now he's dead

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Old 04-30-2019, 10:38 PM
 
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Trump knows no bounds but did anyone actually fall for this crazy talk?
Why quote Trump but not the Governor. It's almost like you are trying to hide something.
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Old 04-30-2019, 10:43 PM
 
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Why quote Trump but not the Governor. It's almost like you are trying to hide something.
The Governor did not say anything about executing babies so what is there to quote? Only a nut would believe that he did.
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