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I.E. letting said babies starve to death, sounds great 😑
Are you willing to adopt them all?
Do you at least acknowledge that too many people are bringing babies into the world all the while knowing that they can't properly feed, clothe and shelter them? With birth control available, there is no excuse for this behavior.
We don't need to add anymore people to our population. It's long past time to drastically reduce legal immigration and send the illegal aliens packing.
And where will people find work in rural areas? Did you think about that? You have this naive vision of packing rural areas will millions of people who somehow will manage to make a living. Have you forgotten that we also need lots of farmland to feed people? And you want to take that farmland away?
Besides, look at PA. There are lots of mountainous areas where the land is not buildable due to the terrain. Everywhere in the country there are flatlands that have soil that's not conducive to building.
You need to get that image of 13 people per square mile out of your head.
Do you know how Montana got its name? Answer: all the mountains. Just take a drive through that states and you will quickly see that those mountains don't have all that much buildable land.
Some places have very harsh weather in the winter, like the Dakotas. Put millions of people there and you will need to find enough sources of fuel to keep them warm in the winter. You can say the same thing about Wyoming.
And where is all the money going to come from to add to the existing infrastructure? You know---roads, sewers, water treatment plants, electricity, etc.?
You really need to educate yourself on this issue. Just because our current population comes out to 13 people per square mile, doesn't mean we have unlimited buildable land and potable water. Those are 2 issues you willfully ignore.
We don't need to add anymore people to our population. It's long past time to drastically reduce legal immigration and send the illegal aliens packing.
Oh...BTW if PA is so great with all this, according to you, buildable land, then what are you doing in San Diego? Think about that for a minute.
All good points and there is a reason that people crowd into places that have good weather and large cities where there are jobs. Immigrants nor most Americans want to live in places like the Dakotas as it's too cold. And added population growth from "immigrants" will just have the same results.
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And where will people find work in rural areas? Did you think about that? You have this naive vision of packing rural areas will millions of people who somehow will manage to make a living. Have you forgotten that we also need lots of farmland to feed people? And you want to take that farmland away?
Besides, look at PA. There are lots of mountainous areas where the land is not buildable due to the terrain. Everywhere in the country there are flatlands that have soil that's not conducive to building.
You need to get that image of 13 people per square mile out of your head.
Do you know how Montana got its name? Answer: all the mountains. Just take a drive through that states and you will quickly see that those mountains don't have all that much buildable land.
Some places have very harsh weather in the winter, like the Dakotas. Put millions of people there and you will need to find enough sources of fuel to keep them warm in the winter. You can say the same thing about Wyoming.
And where is all the money going to come from to add to the existing infrastructure? You know---roads, sewers, water treatment plants, electricity, etc.?
You really need to educate yourself on this issue. Just because our current population comes out to 13 people per square mile, doesn't mean we have unlimited buildable land and potable water. Those are 2 issues you willfully ignore.
We don't need to add anymore people to our population. It's long past time to drastically reduce legal immigration and send the illegal aliens packing.
Oh...BTW if PA is so great with all this, according to you, buildable land, then what are you doing in San Diego? Think about that for a minute.
I have to correct you on Montana, only the western 1/3 the state has mountains. The majority of the state is relatively flat
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Are you willing to adopt them all?
Do you at least acknowledge that too many people are bringing babies into the world all the while knowing that they can't properly feed, clothe and shelter them? With birth control available, there is no excuse for this behavior.
That's a strawman argument.
And I'll counter you this, anyone who has this stance can't truly be "pro life", you should be all for abortion if you're willing to let the born babies of poor people starve to death
Capitalism does not work unless there is a growing population. This is the real reason republicans have come out against abortion. The elites need debt slaves and slaves for their prisons for profit. The only way to feed the capitalist way of life is more people, but notice that Comrade Trump only wants people of education and those from Europe. Demented Don has more than enough illegal Hispanics working at Mar-A-Lago.
Capitalism does not work unless there is a growing population. This is the real reason republicans have come out against abortion. The elites need debt slaves and slaves for their prisons for profit. The only way to feed the capitalist way of life is more people, but notice that Comrade Trump only wants people of education and those from Europe. Demented Don has more than enough illegal Hispanics working at Mar-A-Lago.
You can still have a capitalistic society while stabilizing population growth. At this point in time that's what I think we ought to strive for not increasing our population. No, most Republicans mainstream or otherwise oppose abortion because they think it's immoral. It is the Democrats that want to increase our population with illegal aliens and immigrants so that they will have more Democrat voters. Comrade Trump, Demented Don? Can't you lefties ever debate without the childish insults?
There has only been one illegal alien that was caught working on Trump's properties and she presented fake documents to do so. It's never been proven that Trump "knowingly" had any illegals working for him. He uses e-verify for all of his businesses now. If you think it's only some greedy Republicans that use cheap, illegal slave labor then you're not dealing in reality.
And where will people find work in rural areas? Did you think about that? You have this naive vision of packing rural areas will millions of people who somehow will manage to make a living. Have you forgotten that we also need lots of farmland to feed people? And you want to take that farmland away?
Besides, look at PA. There are lots of mountainous areas where the land is not buildable due to the terrain. Everywhere in the country there are flatlands that have soil that's not conducive to building.
You need to get that image of 13 people per square mile out of your head.
Do you know how Montana got its name? Answer: all the mountains. Just take a drive through that states and you will quickly see that those mountains don't have all that much buildable land.
Some places have very harsh weather in the winter, like the Dakotas. Put millions of people there and you will need to find enough sources of fuel to keep them warm in the winter. You can say the same thing about Wyoming.
And where is all the money going to come from to add to the existing infrastructure? You know---roads, sewers, water treatment plants, electricity, etc.?
You really need to educate yourself on this issue. Just because our current population comes out to 13 people per square mile, doesn't mean we have unlimited buildable land and potable water. Those are 2 issues you willfully ignore.
We don't need to add anymore people to our population. It's long past time to drastically reduce legal immigration and send the illegal aliens packing.
Oh...BTW if PA is so great with all this, according to you, buildable land, then what are you doing in San Diego? Think about that for a minute.
I'm trying to be nice to you - - don't insult me. I taught a section of a college class on the very topic of this. Once again READ THE BOOK THAT I'VE MENTIONED THREE TIMES ALREADY IN THIS THREAD. YOU educate yourself on the topic. You don't think other countries have places that are hard to live in? Some states have the Rockies in them? Some countries have the Alps in them. And yet Austria has 40 people per square mile. France has 46. Italy has 76. Switzerland has 80. Germany has 89. All those mountains - - and yet somehow they are able to have significantly more people per square mile than the United States has.
I grew up in Cumberland County Pennsylvania. There aren't major mountains stopping people from living there. There's plenty of room; there's plenty of water. I'd live there or Pittsburgh today; this is where my wife (who didn't grow up in Pennsylvania) wanted to live.
Not that I think you give a damn, but the economic effects of having a dwindling birth rate are devastating to younger generations. As more Baby Boomers become older senior citizens, that tax bomb is going to fall on the younger, smaller generations, ones that are already saddled with huge student loan debt. Immigrants are the only way that you're going to get more tax payers to help with those social security/Medicare/Medicade balloons. If you are a "I've got mine" guy, I'm sure you believe we don't need to add people to our population. Younger people are going to disagree with you, if they understand the economic ramifications of not replacing the dead.
I'm trying to be nice to you - - don't insult me. I taught a section of a college class on the very topic of this. Once again READ THE BOOK THAT I'VE MENTIONED THREE TIMES ALREADY IN THIS THREAD. YOU educate yourself on the topic. You don't think other countries have places that are hard to live in? Some states have the Rockies in them? Some countries have the Alps in them. And yet Austria has 40 people per square mile. France has 46. Italy has 76. Switzerland has 80. Germany has 89. All those mountains - - and yet somehow they are able to have significantly more people per square mile than the United States has.
I grew up in Cumberland County Pennsylvania. There aren't major mountains stopping people from living there. There's plenty of room; there's plenty of water. I'd live there or Pittsburgh today; this is where my wife (who didn't grow up in Pennsylvania) wanted to live.
Not that I think you give a damn, but the economic effects of having a dwindling birth rate are devastating to younger generations. As more Baby Boomers become older senior citizens, that tax bomb is going to fall on the younger, smaller generations, ones that are already saddled with huge student loan debt. Immigrants are the only way that you're going to get more tax payers to help with those social security/Medicare/Medicade balloons. If you are a "I've got mine" guy, I'm sure you believe we don't need to add people to our population. Younger people are going to disagree with you, if they understand the economic ramifications of not replacing the dead.
All those countries you mentioned are far smaller than the United States in land mass. So not necessarily a good argument.
Many millennials are working jobs that don't pay enough to support a family, much less the Baby Boomers who are expected to retire en mass. Adding more people via immigration will make this situation worse by pushing wages down for the limited number of jobs. Many of which are threatened with extinction by automation.
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You have this naive vision of packing rural areas will millions of people who somehow will manage to make a living. Have you forgotten that we also need lots of farmland to feed people? And you want to take that farmland away?
