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Old 05-21-2019, 01:43 PM
Status: "It Can't Rain All The Time" (set 25 days ago)
 
Location: North Pacific
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The low birth rates are largely due to immigration.

And immigration is never the solution to any problem, especially not this one. If we needed more Americans, we would make them ourselves. We have too many people as it is. The market has spoken.
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The low birth rates are largely due to immigration.
Immigrant and Native Fertility 2008 to 2017

"In June 2013, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush said "Immigrants are more fertile." He and many others have argued for large-scale immigration on the grounds that America's aging society needs immigrants and their higher fertility to, in Bush's words, "rebuild the demographic pyramid."
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However, immigrant fertility has declined significantly since 2008, as has the fertility of the native-born. Immigrant fertility has declined more steeply than that of natives; as a result, immigration's small impact on the overall fertility rate has become more modest."
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Old 05-21-2019, 01:46 PM
Status: "It Can't Rain All The Time" (set 25 days ago)
 
Location: North Pacific
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Forced birth. That’s a crappy plan. And not one women will go along with.
The States efforts can not seemingly get passed the court system. I speculate its all a political show.
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Old 05-21-2019, 01:51 PM
 
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The States efforts can not seemingly get passed the court system. I speculate its all a political show.
I agree.
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Old 05-21-2019, 04:36 PM
 
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The low birth rates are largely due to immigration.

And immigration is never the solution to any problem, especially not this one. If we needed more Americans, we would make them ourselves. We have too many people as it is. The market has spoken.
Actually, Americans have lower birth rates than immigrants.

Anyone with a basic high school education would understand the economic value of LIMITED immigration.

Immigrants make Americans too.
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Old 05-21-2019, 05:05 PM
 
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Immigrant and Native Fertility 2008 to 2017

"In June 2013, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush said "Immigrants are more fertile." He and many others have argued for large-scale immigration on the grounds that America's aging society needs immigrants and their higher fertility to, in Bush's words, "rebuild the demographic pyramid."
<snip>
However, immigrant fertility has declined significantly since 2008, as has the fertility of the native-born. Immigrant fertility has declined more steeply than that of natives; as a result, immigration's small impact on the overall fertility rate has become more modest."
Immigrants (and the expectation of future immigrants) are lowering the birth rate of natives. Of course, the immigrants themselves have a ton of kids -- they've been given a huge bonanza in regard to their standard of living. But immigration has to be for the benefit of natives, and it is not benefiting us. It is suppressing our birth rates.
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Old 05-21-2019, 05:08 PM
 
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Anyone with a basic high school education would understand the economic value of LIMITED immigration.
There is no value to limited immigration for the natives. All the value goes to the immigrants.

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Actually, Americans have lower birth rates than immigrants.
No kidding.

That's the problem. They're suppressing the native birth rate.
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Old 05-21-2019, 05:14 PM
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Location: Dallas, TX
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I thought we had an overpopulation problem?
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/bi.../19/id/916647/
The USA's is not particularly bad compared to the rest of the world. China's the same size as the US and it's at 1.3 billion. India's 1/3 the US's size and at 1.1. Europe west of Russia is comparable in size to the US and it's somewhere at 0.6 billion. The USA's at about 0.33

The bulk of the increase is coming from the Middle East and Africa - and even their rates are dropping dramatically.
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Old 05-21-2019, 05:19 PM
 
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There is no value to limited immigration for the natives. All the value goes to the immigrants.
Well, I'm not going to argue what a basic high school education covers. Our economy impacts everyone who live here.
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No kidding.

That's the problem. They're suppressing the native birth rate.
All births here are native births. There's no problem with that.

We have real problems to worry about... like illegal immigration issues.
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Old 05-21-2019, 05:22 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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We DO need immigrants.
Let's build a wall. Then, WE will get to pick who immigrates.
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Old 05-21-2019, 05:51 PM
 
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We need educated immigrants from poor countries. The educated immigrants from rich countries often come from very privileged backgrounds ie family is related to king or some nonsense, and act like they own everything everywhere they go. Eastern Europe, Egypt, Indonesia, Phillippines, Central America should be placed high in a country lottery immigration system.
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