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Old 06-14-2019, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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For the umpteenth time how is me stating my opinion on abortion limiting or controlling women? You pro-abortionists can't tolerate a difference of opinion without resorting to your nonsense above? You just can't stand it unless you can convince us anti-abortionists to agree with you? Why is that so important to you? This is a forum not a voting booth.

Women have the right to control their reproductive capabilities by not getting pregnant in the first place by using birth control and/or making sure her sex partner does. They also know ahead of time that there is a failure rate on not using it properly. If they go ahead and have sex anyway they become responsible for welfare of the life that was created. Being responsible IMO is not killing it.
Nope, that's trying to use government to enforce your beliefs on others. That's the only way, because you won't get everyone to willingly go along with it of their own volition

 
Old 06-14-2019, 12:15 PM
 
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Women know all of it. We still have sex btw abortion is taking responsibility
Not it's not. It's avoiding responsibility.
 
Old 06-14-2019, 12:16 PM
 
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Abortion is not killing
Argument by assertion.

Is stabbing a brain dead person not a killing?
 
Old 06-14-2019, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Not it's not. It's avoiding responsibility.
To you! It's avoiding responsibility TO YOU! That's subjective, not objective
 
Old 06-14-2019, 12:17 PM
 
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Nope, that's trying to use government to enforce your beliefs on others. That's the only way, because you won't get everyone to willingly go along with it of their own volition
Nearly every law in existence imposes a moral belief, from speeding tickets all the way up to murder. Do you oppose laws against murder because such laws presume that murdering someone is wrong? You do know that there have historically been cultures in which murder is seen as morally permissible, right? By what right does someone impose the moral assumption that murder is wrong?
 
Old 06-14-2019, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Nearly every law in existence imposes a moral belief, from speeding tickets all the way up to murder. Do you oppose laws against murder because such laws presume that murdering someone is wrong? You do know that there have historically been cultures in which murder is seen as morally permissible, right? By what right does someone impose the moral assumption that murder is wrong?
Abortion =/= murder
 
Old 06-14-2019, 12:21 PM
 
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To you! It's avoiding responsibility TO YOU! That's subjective, not objective
Nope. Responsibility is not subjective. You don't get to kill your "inconvenience" away and claim you are responsible.
 
Old 06-14-2019, 12:23 PM
 
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Abortion is not killing
I suggest you take a biology class. Abortion is killing.

If it wasn't, then women wouldn't go get them to kill their babies and stop them from being pregnant.
 
Old 06-14-2019, 12:24 PM
 
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Abortion =/= murder
Argument by assertion.

You're incapable of articulating logical arguments, so you keep repeating mantras like a robot instead of offering anything approaching intelligent thoughts.

Surrender accepted.
 
Old 06-14-2019, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Argument by assertion.

You're incapable of articulating logical arguments, so you keep repeating mantras like a robot instead of offering anything approaching intelligent thoughts.

Surrender accepted.
Nope. I didn't surrender, I'm using logic and science. A fetus isn't a born person, therefore it's not murder
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