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Old 07-21-2019, 09:47 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by L8Gr8Apost8 View Post
You think liberals don't pay their own way?
Of those on public assistance, Democrat voters outnumber Republican voters by a factor of more than 2 to 1. So, yes, liberals are more than twice as likely to not pay their (and their dependents') own way.

Percent of Public Assistance Program Recipients Who Identify as:

Democrat:

Public Housing: 81%
Medicaid: 74%
Food Stamps: 67%
Welfare or public assistance: 63%


Republican:

Public Housing: 12%
Medicaid: 16%
Food Stamps: 20%
Welfare or public assistance: 22%


Are Welfare Recipients Mostly Republican? Or Democrat?

Cites both a Maxwell School of of Citizenship and Public Affairs (syracuse.edu) study and NPR as data sources.
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Old 07-21-2019, 09:48 AM
 
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White evangelicalism is a specific type of Christianity, the one that's currently the dominant force in US politics. Southern Baptists are the largest denomination but the umbrella consists of several different denominations.

Mainline Protestantism is another. Catholicism is another. Black evangelicalism is another (actually very theologically similar to white evangelicalism with the exception of political activism).



If they say they are Christian they are Christian. Ever heard of the 'No true scottsman' fallacy? It's you who have a very narrow standard for who is a Christian and who isn't (and in your ideal society, likely who lives and who dies).



And people who think like you want a society that only tolerates people who follow the rules of your Bible with zero tolerance of anybody who doesn't. You may be able to get a state or two to break away to set up a Handmaid's Tale type society where men are in charge, women are submissive to their husbands, there's one church and everyone is required to attend, gays are executed, children receive only religious education, etc, but most Americans aren't going to accept that kind of society.
Don't confuse Christianity with Denominational Religion. When I err, God is will make me aware of it if I have a conscience towards Him.

I don't partake of nor will I condone any behaviors that are deviant.
As for the person who does them, it is God's place to deal with them as He chooses, not mine.

Trying to FORCE Christians to condone, trying to FORCE parents to allow their children to partake of the teachings of these deviances is the very thing you are accusing "white evangelicals" of.
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Old 07-21-2019, 09:50 AM
 
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I’m not a religious guy and never, ever feel guilt/judgment from society for not being religious, my teachers/professors in public school/college never tried to make me religious, and I’m never bombarded with religious propaganda from the media.

The opposite is true for my experience with pressures and influence of liberal ideology.

So, please oh please would someone explain how this evil God Church Machine is trying to force society to their beliefs and way of life.
Unalienable human rights, an abstraction of morality, and belief in a Creator are not compatible with “progressive” world views. We are all puppets of the State, the State (i.e. human bureaucrats) give us our rights, and since they know what’s best, they should be allowed to “guide” us in our daily lives.

Religion and religious beliefs of any kind compete with the authority of the State. Only room for one boss-man.
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Old 07-21-2019, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Floribama
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You must not live in the South.
Other than the recent fiasco when some religious probate judges refused to issue same sex marriage licenses (which has since been corrected), I can’t say that my life as a gay man has really been impacted by religion.

The way I see it, a bigot is going to be a bigot, whether they are religious or not. I’ve personally known atheists who are extremely homophobic.
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Old 07-21-2019, 10:00 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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Unalienable human rights, an abstraction of morality, and belief in a Creator are not compatible with “progressive” world views. We are all puppets of the State, the State (i.e. human bureaucrats) give us our rights, and since they know what’s best, they should be allowed to “guide” us in our daily lives.

Religion and religious beliefs of any kind compete with the authority of the State. Only room for one boss-man.
But in the evangelical world, the church is the state, so there's still only room for one boss-man.

It's amazing how clearly the founders spelled out separation of church and state in the Constitution yet it's still something we haven't come to terms with in this country. However, it was much better before Jerry Falwell came along and created the monster that is today's Christian Right.

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The way I see it, a bigot is going to be a bigot, whether they are religious or not. I’ve personally known atheists who are extremely homophobic.
I agree. My best friend, a Trump supporter, atheist, and homophobe, is one of them. He tolerates me because I'm straight-acting and I am really so around him. However, most people who want laws that discriminate against gay people do so from a religious perspective. I was speaking more of the general influence of religion in society. In the South, especially more rural places, its a dominating influence.

In my town, every year from November through January, giant crosses are lit up in the downtown skyline.
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Old 07-21-2019, 10:11 AM
 
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But in the evangelical world, the church is the state, so there's still only room for one boss-man.

It's amazing how clearly the founders spelled out separation of church and state in the Constitution yet it's still something we haven't come to terms with in this country. However, it was much better before Jerry Falwell came along and created the monster that is today's Christian Right.
AFAIK in today's world, only Islam requires total devotion to scripture. Please stop portraying religion and spirituality with cartoonish stereotypes. There is no Christian “Right” anymore than there is a Christian “Left”. And Christianity is not the sole path to unalienable rights.
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Old 07-21-2019, 10:13 AM
 
Location: minnesota
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
Of those on public assistance, Democrat voters outnumber Republican voters by a factor of more than 2 to 1. So, yes, liberals are more than twice as likely to not pay their (and their dependents') own way.

Percent of Public Assistance Program Recipients Who Identify as:

Democrat:

Public Housing: 81%
Medicaid: 74%
Food Stamps: 67%
Welfare or public assistance: 63%


Republican:

Public Housing: 12%
Medicaid: 16%
Food Stamps: 20%
Welfare or public assistance: 22%


Are Welfare Recipients Mostly Republican? Or Democrat?

Cites both a Maxwell School of of Citizenship and Public Affairs (syracuse.edu) study and NPR as data sources.
I don't care to argue the valididty of that data because that's not the point. How does that translate into "liberals don't pay their own way"?
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Old 07-21-2019, 10:18 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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Really?
https://www.au.org/tags/project-blitz

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...eshape-america

https://www.blitzwatch.org/


I mean, how many people have you heard say this is a Christian nation?

Quite a few. But secular doctrine balances that out. And those of us in the middle road are bigger than either extreme end. And we don't want to be beaten over the head with the Bible any more than we want pornographic images declared as "art" or having the rainbow flag stuffed down our throats.


Not that many people overall want theocratic governance. You can post links all day long and I won't believe that slicing up the Constitution is what most people want. And both ends want to do just that.
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Old 07-21-2019, 10:20 AM
 
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You must not live in the South.
Kentucky for over 30 years.

You are clinging to a bogeyman that doesn’t exist to justify the ideals of liberals.
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Old 07-21-2019, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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Trumpers? No, this political and social divide won't end until we get these so-called progressives out of congress and the liberal left returns to what has defined our country since its founding instead of trying to tear it down and replace it with something else.

Lol, if the Democrats are for working Americans then why do they want millions of illegal aliens to remain here and retain their jobs? Why do they want working Americans to continue to cover the billions of dollars for the social costs for these illegal aliens along with providing them with healthcare (paid for by the working American also), driver's licenses and sanctuary cities? The Democrats have deserted the working American long ago to pander for votes from those who have a vested interest in illegal immigration.
For the same reason Trump illegally employed half a village from Costa Rica for his golf club and continued to employ them well into his presidency. If you want to fear monger and point at the Democrats, then you need to acknowledge that Trump is no better. Ya Think?
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