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Old 10-02-2019, 10:26 PM
 
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Originally Posted by TwoByFour View Post
Here are the things that stand out the most for me:
- Believing, publicly, Putin over his own law enforcement agencies.


So what? They're not "his" agencies, by the way, but they have certainly proven they can't be trusted.



- Paying off the bimbos with campaign funds (the infamous "individual number one" in Cohen's indictment for the same).


Are you sure about that?



- The way he treated John McCain, who was in a POW prison for five years, was disgusting. To borrow a phrase, Trump is not worthy to carry McCain's jock strap.


McCain was a horrible person. Good to see someone point it out.



- Taking the word of the murderous Saudi, MBS, over his own agency, about Kashoogi's murder


Who cares? Khashoggi was a spy and none of our business. But this thing about "his own agency" is silly.



- Providing cover for Kim so he can build more nukes and more missiles.


Providing cover? Really? That's ridiculous. It's a difficult situation. Maybe someone else would have handled it better, or maybe they would have handled it worse.



- Starting a trade war with China.


He did do that. Whether it's a good thing is another question.



- Calling Mexicans rapists and murderers


Never happened.



- Not condemning white nationalism


He did, but he was wrong to do so. White nationalism is reasonable and unobjectionable.



- Promising to fix healthcare but not doing anything to lead the effort. All he did was throw bombs.


There's some truth to that.



- Making a shambles out of all of our relationship with long time allies


Didn't happen.



- Abandoning the Iran treaty that was working, and now Iran is enriching uranium again. He has put the whole effort back many years and endangered the entire ME.


You may be right.
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Old 10-02-2019, 10:32 PM
 
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All of Trump's idiocies have been discussed, with supporting links, ad naseum here. No point in repeating the obvious. As they say in a court of law "asked and answered already".
No, not true. He's said plenty of stupid things, and maybe you've documented them, but the allegations of wrongdoing have never had any sort of substantiation.
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Old 10-02-2019, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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He melted snowflakes.
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Old 10-02-2019, 10:40 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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You didn’t have a problem with Russian Dossier by Hilary? That’s interfering with the US election in my book.
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Old 10-02-2019, 10:50 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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No, not true. He's said plenty of stupid things, and maybe you've documented them, but the allegations of wrongdoing have never had any sort of substantiation.
The OP's question was What has Trump done that is so awful. I listed the things that I find awful. Some are "wrongdoing" like paying off the bimbos for which he was an unindicted co-conspirator with Cohen. Whether you want to call Trump's actions in office wrongdoings, crimes, or just stupidity is immaterial. The things he has done indicate someone who is unfit for office. He has no idea what he is doing and is dragging America down just as he put many of his businesses into bankruptcy.
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Old 10-03-2019, 03:11 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Originally Posted by Clarallel View Post
I keep running into people asking (disingenuously?), "What's Trump done that's so bad?"

I can't quite figure out if they've lived in a cave for the last few years, or they know perfectly well but want to put the burden on the other person, or they just have no standards of propriety.

So this is handy.

Donald Trump vs. the United States of America
Just the facts, in 40 sentences

By David Leonhardt

Sometimes it’s worth stepping back to look at the full picture.
• He has pressured a foreign leader to interfere in the 2020 American presidential election.
• He urged a foreign country to intervene in the 2016 presidential election.
• He divulged classified information to foreign officials.
• He encourages foreign leaders to enrich him and his family by staying at his hotels.
• He genuflects to murderous dictators.


For the rest of the on-point list:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/22/o...le-blower.html
https://nzenews.com/2019/09/24/david...ust-the-facts/
https://www.newsrust.com/2019/09/opi...ust-facts.html



Could you post at least one thing that's an established fact instead of an accusation/opinion?


Or is that too much to ask?
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Old 10-03-2019, 03:17 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Correction, he won by taking advantage of a loophole in our election process and by encouraging foreign interference. Heck, he was so successful in 2016 that he's now using the full extent of his power as POTUS to get himself re-elected.

Nothing wrong with that whatsover, right?

If Trump does it, it's not illegal....


The electoral college isn't a "loophole".

It's the way our election process was deliberately designed.

And it was never proven that ANYTHING Russia did had any effect on the election at all.
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Old 10-03-2019, 04:09 AM
 
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I got a good laugh at this, thanks for posting your "facts".
Let’s wait for the result of the investigation. It sounds bad when you are the president and you use the threat of withholding of aid, especially military aid, to a weak country such a Ukraine so that you can force Ukrainian officials to help you track down dirt on your most prominent political opponent. It’s not just over a phone call. It was the misuse of presidential power for one’s own political end. We are not a banana republic, just in case some folks forgot that.
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Old 10-03-2019, 04:41 AM
 
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Can't help but notice that when liberal fanatics post the "facts" about Trump, they somehow forget to include any references, links, etc. for ANY supporting data.

Every time.
Yep!!! Since when did opinions equal facts?
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Old 10-03-2019, 04:55 AM
 
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What's Trump done that's so awful? Just the facts!

He won against their chosen one Hillary even with the help of the media. The media thought they had so much power over the people but by wining he put them in their place showing them that the people are not so easily manipulated and brain washed and that bruised their egos.
As his administration is circling the drain you`re still spiking the ball over the election.
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