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Old 10-17-2019, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by bobbythegreat View Post
Do you find this outright lie that is easily disproved to be a convincing one?

Are you merely hoping that everyone will be too ignorant to call you out for blatantly lying?
You can accuse people of lying and insult them, but the fact is that he said it.

Perhaps you should go back and listen to Mulvaney.

"....Acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney told reporters Thursday that President Trump blocked nearly $400 million in military aid to Ukraine in part to force the government in Kyiv to investigate his political rivals, a startling acknowledgment after the president’s repeated denials of a quid pro quo.

Mulvaney defended the maneuver as “absolutely appropriate...”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1WW2J2

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...67e_story.html
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Old 10-17-2019, 01:42 PM
 
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You can accuse people of lying and call names, but the fact is that he said it.

Perhaps you should go back and listen to Mulvaney.

"....Acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney told reporters Thursday that President Trump blocked nearly $400 million in military aid to Ukraine in part to force the government in Kyiv to investigate his political rivals, a startling acknowledgment after the president’s repeated denials of a quid pro quo.

Mulvaney defended the maneuver as “absolutely appropriate.”


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1WW2J2

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...67e_story.html
That's spin that misrepresents what he said. Claiming that it was to investigate political rivals or for political gain is just an outright lie. There's no need to sugar coat it.
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Old 10-17-2019, 01:42 PM
 
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Do you find this outright lie that is easily disproved to be a convincing one?

Are you merely hoping that everyone will be too ignorant to call you out for blatantly lying?
Do you believe in the separation of powers? Or do you think the President is above the Constitution now, too?
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Old 10-17-2019, 01:43 PM
 
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Do you believe in the separation of powers? Or do you think the President is above the Constitution now, too?
This isn't a competent or relevant response to what was said.
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Old 10-17-2019, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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New strategy, since, "he didn't do it," wasn't fooling anyone: "Yes, he did it. Get over it!"
That is the most amazing line of this political season, but I doubt it will earn Mick many brownie points when they indict him for Conspiracy against the United States.
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Old 10-17-2019, 01:50 PM
 
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This isn't a competent or relevant response to what was said.
Congress appropriated funds, as is their authority mandated by the Constitution. The president attempted to withhold those funds for personal reasons. The president lacks the constitutional or statutory power to do so. Why isn't it a relevant question to ask?
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Old 10-17-2019, 01:54 PM
 
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From the OP's article...

Mulvaney acknowledged the quid pro quo during a press conference Thursday in which he explained the factors that contributed to Trump's decision to withhold aid.

Mulvaney said Trump told him that he believed Ukraine was a "corrupt place" and that he didn't want to "send them a bunch of money." He also said the president was concerned that other European countries weren't doing their fair share to contribute to Ukraine's defense.

Mulvaney added: "Did he also mention to me in the past the corruption related to the DNC server? Absolutely. No question about that. But that's it. And that's why we held up the money."


There are holes in this.

1- No timeline. Who knows when certain statements where made - or if there were connected.
2- The conclusion is not what was said - but purely his own conclusion.

Just what I see upon reading the article.
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Old 10-17-2019, 01:57 PM
 
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Congress appropriated funds, as is their authority mandated by the Constitution. The president attempted to withhold those funds for personal reasons. The president lacks the constitutional or statutory power to do so. Why isn't it a relevant question to ask?
This is repeating the lie, the funds were being withheld due to the interest of the state.... funny you don't seem upset that Biden threatened to do the same thing on the behalf of his son's company....

Wonder why that might be?
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Old 10-17-2019, 01:59 PM
 
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From the OP's article...

Mulvaney acknowledged the quid pro quo during a press conference Thursday in which he explained the factors that contributed to Trump's decision to withhold aid.

Mulvaney said Trump told him that he believed Ukraine was a "corrupt place" and that he didn't want to "send them a bunch of money." He also said the president was concerned that other European countries weren't doing their fair share to contribute to Ukraine's defense.

Mulvaney added: "Did he also mention to me in the past the corruption related to the DNC server? Absolutely. No question about that. But that's it. And that's why we held up the money."


There are holes in this.

1- No timeline. Who knows when certain statements where made - or if there were connected.

Just what I see upon reading the article.
Perhaps you need to read for comprehension this time. The timeline is outlined in the blue bolded above. Or is there yet another time Trump attempted to withhold Congressionally mandated funds that we don't know about?
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Old 10-17-2019, 01:59 PM
 
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Default White House confirms it tied Ukraine aid to help in pursuing conspiracy theory on DNC hack

And in other news, water is still wet, the earth is still round and Trump is still a crook.

Acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney said Thursday that President Trump withheld military aid to Ukraine until it looked into the debunked conspiracy theory that Ukrainian nationals were in possession of a computer server belonging to the Democratic National Committee.

Asked why the administration had withheld $400 million in military aide allocated by Congress to help Ukraine defend itself from Russian aggression, Mulvaney first cited the president’s desire to make sure Kiev’s government was not corrupt. Then, confirming a quid pro quo laid out in the partial summary released by the White House of Trump’s July 25 call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, Mulvaney cited a conspiracy theory involving the DNC server that housed emails leaked during the 2016 campaign.


https://news.yahoo.com/white-house-c...180854146.html
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