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1. End it? The lefties are up in arms against ending it.
2. No, they do not. For the minority who do pay income taxes, they do so with a stolen SS. (If you're talking about the $1 sales tax they pay when they take their familia to McDonald's, they doesn't go very far toward the $50,000 they're taking in education benefits for their kids._
3. Huh? Deferred means deferred - FOREVER?? The very nature of the word implies temporary.
Keep it up. Your insistence on defending illegal aliens above the interests of Americans will be the #1 issue that causes you to lose the election.
1. Yes. They want to end it, and they could, but are too incompetent to pull it off. The "BUT DEMS" argument is meaningless. Trump does not need their approval to end it. He could do it on his own if he knew how. Unfortunately he does not know how, due to his incompetence.
2. You are incorrect. Read my post to the other person. You are trying to confuse the 600K DACA people with all 11 million illegals in US, and that is not an honest argument.
3. No, deferred means deferred. Several years in this case.
Trying to get personal is very typical of you, but does not help your case. Stick with honest arguments and don't move goal posts and you'll be much more credible.
It is not nonsense. 91% them work. You pulling biased examples off the seat of your pants does not change the fact. DACA people paid over $9 billion in taxes, so obviously they are not all landscapers and housekeepers as you think. That being the case, an average DACA person pays more in income taxes than average American (quite a bit more, as a matter of fact).
DACA recipients own 59,000 homes and are directly responsible for $613.8 million in annual mortgage payments. They pay $2.3 billion in rent to their landlords each year.
They hold a combined $24.1 billion in spending power—or income remaining after paying taxes—each year.
They are by far the most productive segment of the alien population, and you want to deport them first. Go figure. Well, its easy to figure: Trump said so, and you repeat after him.
Cherry-picking facts again, I see. Why are you only looking at what they pay IN, instead of combining I with what they take OUT?
First, nobody is saying to deport them first. We are just saying that Obama's temporary stay needs to be lifted. It was never intended to be permanent.
Second, you're saying that DACA recipients are the most productive of all illegal immigrants isn't saying much. They are much more likely to drop out of high school than Americans are, and then they become a big burden once they start having their anchor babies.
And I don't believe 91% of them work. If they do, they sure aren't earning enough to pay taxes. How could they when 20% of them didn't even finish high school??
It's time to stop painting DACA people as saints. They drop out of high school at far greater numbers than Americans, and go to college at far lower levels. And illegal aliens are a net financial drain on America. Stop lying.
I believe the supreme court will rule that Obama was wrong in signing an eo dealing with immigration laws.
He took it upon himself to create a program that the congress did not vote on, and that ruling, will end the daca program, and it's protections. I am one of the few conservative republicans that feels these daca people should be allowed to stay, with some exceptions.
Obviously not all of them are working, stable people, holding a college degree, so to those who have not contributed to the betterment of this country, those should be deported.
It would be based on a merit system.
The ones that have made life better for themselves, and their community, should be allowed to stay.
They are an asset, not a liability.
Bob.
I'll be honest and say I'm not sure what the exact legal issue the SC is considering. Is it the legality of Obama's EO? Or is it that Presidents can cancel EO's of prior Administrations?
But I will say that I think you'd be surprised about the willingness to let some DACA's stay. There is great political will on the right to negotiate FOR the DACA's in some fashion in exchange for greater enforcement of laws.
It is not nonsense. 91% them work. You pulling biased examples off the seat of your pants does not change the fact. DACA people paid over $9 billion in taxes, so obviously they are not all landscapers and housekeepers as you think. That being the case, an average DACA person pays more in income taxes than average American (quite a bit more, as a matter of fact).
DACA recipients own 59,000 homes and are directly responsible for $613.8 million in annual mortgage payments. They pay $2.3 billion in rent to their landlords each year.
They hold a combined $24.1 billion in spending power—or income remaining after paying taxes—each year.
They are by far the most productive segment of the alien population, and you want to deport them first. Go figure. Well, its easy to figure: Trump said so, and you repeat after him.
So what if they spent $600 million in mortgage payments? They're paying back a loan. And spending power means nothing. People on welfare have spending power too. Should we start quoting how much they spend to prove how helpful they are to the economy?
And they paid $9 billion in taxes? Americans have paid over $100 billion supporting them, and their anchor babies. So for every $1 they put in, they take out $9. Their presence has come at a net cost to Americans - largely via educational costs.
And remember: I'm not arguing for their deportation. I'm just saying they shouldn't be protected from deportation, if the circumstances dictate their removal (with their anchor babies going with them), by letting the DACA temporary stay finally be allowed to expire.
Actually 91% of them work, pay taxes and are productive. Compare that to the US LFPR rate od 63%. They are contributors, not takers, which is why it doesn't make sense to make them the priority, but I guess it comes back to the "undoing Obama" childishness.
you can continue to disingenuously compare the LFPR of 18-35 year olds to the entire US Population all you want, but the reality is the rates for similar demographics are very similar.
Why? Should tourists also get US passports? Tourists ARE subject to US jurisdiction, as are everyone else except for diplomats.
You DO NOT know the meaning of the word. Look it up.
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No, they are not. They cannot obtain a US passport, for example.
Are you really this uninformed?????
Since you OBVIOUSLY have no clue what a jurisdiction is, then why not just look it up.
Of course tourists are subject to US jurisdiction. If they break the law, they will be judged as per US law, because the crime too place on US jurisdiction. It has NOTHING to do with who can, and cannot get a US passport.
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Federal jurisdiction refers to the legal scope of the government's powers in the United States of America. See the 1962 Federal Report titled "JURISDICTION OVER FEDERAL AREAS WITHIN THE STATES".
The United States is a federal republic, governed by the U.S. Constitution, containing fifty states and a federal district which elect the President and Vice President, and having other territories and possessions in its national jurisdiction. This government is variously known as the Union, the United States, or the federal government.
Under the Constitution and various treaties, the legal jurisdiction of the United States includes territories and territorial waters
No, you are. Foreign citizens/subjects cannot obtain a US passport unless they have US citizenship. Why not? The US does not have jurisdiction over their nationality unless they choose to legally naturalize.
Are all US citizens eligible to all federal assistance programs? Obviously not. I am not eligible to a single one, and it has nothing to do with me being subject to US jurisdiction / laws.
This is beyond the pale. You are ELIGIBLE for every single federal assistance program. You may not QUALIFY for them, based on making enough money to exceed their threshold, but you're eligible.
We're ALL one job loss or economic ruin, or debilitating injury away from QUALIFYING for federal assistance.
you can continue to disingenuously compare the LFPR of 18-35 year olds to the entire US Population all you want, but the reality is the rates for similar demographics are very similar.
DACAs are young and working age (but not kids anymore), so a very high number of them work. US general population includes kids and retirees, so obviously there are more "takers" in the general population.
Hence the DACA having 91% working vs US population with only 63% working is an honest comparison. The DACA are in an age group where they pay in to the system, as opposed to taking from it. Thats the whole point.
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