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Old 11-12-2019, 09:06 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Originally Posted by jbcmh81 View Post
lol... actual Americans disagree on almost every single issue out there. You're a hoot, dude.
You have skin in the game hands down. YOU are THE problem. Good luck you will need it. BYE.
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Old 11-12-2019, 09:08 PM
 
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You have skin in the game hands down. YOU are THE problem. Good luck you will need it. BYE.
lol... oh man.
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Old 11-12-2019, 09:15 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I disagree and here's why. What would happen to the parent's of these DACAs if they are allowed to remain here? Shouldn't the parents be deported as they are the ones who broke the law? If not, then that would be amnesty for millions of illegal aliens and rewarding their parents for bringing their kids here illegally. If the parents are deported as our laws state that would mean a separation of families, wouldn't it? Why would the DACAs want to remain here while their parents are deported? I thought their culture was all about family values.

All of the above is why I oppose DACA and why the whole family should be deported together. It's the only fair thing to do. Legalizing millions of illegal aliens (the DACAs and their parents) would negate our sane annual quotas for legal immigration and isn't fair to immigrants who came here the right way. Thoughts?
The most logical conclusion to the current situation.
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Old 11-12-2019, 11:03 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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I believe the supreme court will rule that Obama was wrong in signing an eo dealing with immigration laws.
He took it upon himself to create a program that the congress did not vote on, and that ruling, will end the daca program, and it's protections.
I am one of the few conservative republicans that feels these daca people should be allowed to stay, with some exceptions.

Obviously not all of them are working, stable people, holding a college degree, so to those who have not contributed to the betterment of this country, those should be deported.
It would be based on a merit system.
The ones that have made life better for themselves, and their community, should be allowed to stay.
They are an asset, not a liability.


Bob.
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Old 11-13-2019, 12:01 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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I think the Dems blew it big time on this. Trump gave them every opportunity on multiple occasions to figure this out with legislation and they decided to #resist instead of doing their jobs. Trump completely out maneuvered the Dems and exposed them for their fake caring about anyone else but themselves.
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Old 11-13-2019, 12:06 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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I believe the supreme court will rule that Obama was wrong in signing an eo dealing with immigration laws.
He took it upon himself to create a program that the congress did not vote on,
Actually Congress DID vote on it. And the Senate voted it down.

Was our Federal govt set up in 1789, with the Framers intending that if Congress voted something down, the President could resurrect it and make it law anyway?

Keep in mind that the people who wrote and ratified the Constitution had never heard of Executive Orders.

In later law, Executive Orders were invented as a means by which the President could order things done pursuant to laws already passed by Congress and signed into law by the President.

Since Congress had already passed the overall program, the President didn't need Congress's approval for each and every EO as long as the EO did things already passed by Congress.

Did Obama's DACA Exec Orders carry out things already passed by Congress?
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Old 11-13-2019, 01:34 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Well, you posted one cherry-picked quote from a Senator who later went on to confirm that "jurisdiction" meant "subject to our laws" and capable of being sued in a US court.
I posted that quote, several Federal Laws, Secretaries of State citizenship rulings, a SCOTUS ruling, etc. All prove the point that the 14th Amendment never conferred US citizenship on the children of illegal aliens.
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Old 11-13-2019, 01:38 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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In what way are illegal aliens not subject to US jurisdiction?
The Fed Gov cannot issue a US passport to them, for starters.
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Old 11-13-2019, 01:51 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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How many times are you going to repeat it?

Anyone born in US is a natural born citizen.
Current US Nationality Law still in effect to this day disproves that.

Read it, specifically subsections (a) and (b). If everyone born in the US were actually automatically US citizens, subsection (b) would be redundant and would be neither included nor necessary:

The following shall be*nationals*and citizens of the*United States*at birth:

(a) a*person*born in the*United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

(b) a*person*born in the*United States*to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe
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Old 11-13-2019, 01:56 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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How do you steal residency? How is that stealing from other people?
Take unlawfully, which is what illegal aliens have done: unlawfully take residency in the US.
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