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Old 11-19-2019, 09:30 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Okay, we are getting somewhere. The right and GOP is now admitting that trump indeed did want Biden investigated.
Only after Biden bragged about bribing the Ukraine with $1 billion to fire its prosecutor within 6 hours, which they did. Biden's bribery should be investigated as a matter directly impacting our country's national interest.

 
Old 11-19-2019, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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The problem is he said today that he doesn't know who the whistleblower is so he has to pretend he doesn't know while refusing to answer questions because he knows.

It's a situation that outs him as a liar and a bad actor, but he'll avoid legal trouble
Red Herring
 
Old 11-19-2019, 09:31 AM
 
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Why would investigating Biden's act of corruption in 2016 be contrary to national interests?
Per various comments (for example, former Homeland Security secretary) it led Trump to introject his personal feelings that complicated an established U.S. policy to counter Russian aggression that he himself appeared to support (to the extent that he paid much attention). This led to inconsistent 'messaging'. Leaving aside the impeachment allegations - was Ukraine going to get the military aid or was it not?

The Pentagon had previously certified Ukraine met the required conditions to receive the aid (that I believe connected to corruption?) and okayed its release. But then it was not - seemingly for no reason with many within the NSC and State taken by surprise.

Trump was persuaded by Giuliani etc. or simply himself became obsessed enough about Clinton etc. to disregard information from his Intelligence Community about the 2016 elections. His take that Ukraine was 'bad' sure appears to have led to erratic decision (i.e., military aid) complicating U.S. policy towards Ukraine and undermining U.S. interests.
 
Old 11-19-2019, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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The problem is he said today that he doesn't know who the whistleblower is so he has to pretend he doesn't know while refusing to answer questions because he knows.

It's a situation that outs him as a liar and a bad actor, but he'll avoid legal trouble
The big difference is, after all the GOP deflection, he may think he now knows who the WB is.

The reality he has no proof who it is.

The GOP campaign has done a good job.

It allows him to be beat on.
 
Old 11-19-2019, 09:33 AM
 
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REP. DEVIN NUNES: Mr. Vindman, you testified in your deposition that you did not know the whistleblower.

LT. COL. ALEXANDER VINDMAN: Ranking member, it's Lieutenant Colonel Vindman, please.



When you start doing this....it just means you're scared....


Even in hundreds of direct meetings that I've had with with COL's, you never called them COL....you called them sir.....
 
Old 11-19-2019, 09:33 AM
 
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So you really don't understand the difference between subjectively not giving Ukraine enough, as with Obama, and withholding aid for personal gain (and then subsequently releasing it after it was clear that the crime was going to be made public)?
The only one who actually committed bribery is Quid Pro Quo Joe. That should be investigated, and Trump, as POTUS, is tasked with upholding federal law.
 
Old 11-19-2019, 09:34 AM
 
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Only after Biden bragged about bribing the Ukraine with $1 billion to fire its prosecutor within 6 hours, which they did. Biden's bribery should be investigated as a matter directly impacting our country's national interest.
Completely incorrect. Try 3 months, with a lot going on in between. John Solomon got the dates wrong - undercutting his timeline and the allegations connected to that timeline.
 
Old 11-19-2019, 09:34 AM
 
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Only after Biden bragged about bribing the Ukraine with $1 billion to fire its prosecutor within 6 hours, which they did. Biden's bribery should be investigated as a matter directly impacting our country's national interest.
Above in bold was an ordained national security mandated requirement for aid.
 
Old 11-19-2019, 09:35 AM
 
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Red Herring
You either don't know what that means or you are trying to say that a witness perjuring themselves isn't relevant... I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you are merely being dishonest intentionally.
 
Old 11-19-2019, 09:38 AM
 
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You either don't know what that means or you are trying to say that a witness perjuring themselves isn't relevant... I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you are merely being dishonest intentionally.
Red Herring = something, especially a clue, that is or is intended to be misleading or distracting.
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