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Old 11-19-2019, 09:38 AM
 
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If he was just guessing then he had no grounds to not mention Eric Ciaramella. It's only if he knew that gave him grounds to omit the name.
Nonsense. Because any person he spoke to within the IC could well be the whistleblower - either that or they would have to prove not.

Your original point was the Vindman was committing perjury - which he did not. He apparently does not know - one way or the other.

 
Old 11-19-2019, 09:39 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Completely incorrect. Try 3 months, with a lot going on in between. John Solomon got the dates wrong - undercutting his timeline and the allegations connected to that timeline.
Biden bribed the Ukraine with $1 billion to get Ukraine's prosecutor fired. What did Trump get for selling the Ukraine anti-tank missiles (which is what was discussed in the phone call)?
 
Old 11-19-2019, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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The problem is he said today that he doesn't know who the whistleblower is so he has to pretend he doesn't know while refusing to answer questions because he knows.

It's a situation that outs him as a liar and a bad actor, but he'll avoid legal trouble
Or maybe he doesn't know, and doesn't want to accidentally out him/her.
 
Old 11-19-2019, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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One fact that does come out today is that John Bolton bolted from that Ukraine meeting once the investigation of Biden came up!
 
Old 11-19-2019, 09:40 AM
 
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Only after Biden bragged about bribing the Ukraine with $1 billion to fire its prosecutor within 6 hours, which they did. Biden's bribery should be investigated as a matter directly impacting our country's national interest.
And Trump had Barr to do that, no need to hang the promise of aid to the Ukraine to get them to do it. Trump has the whole DOJ at his disposal to look into these matters.
 
Old 11-19-2019, 09:41 AM
 
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Biden bribed the Ukraine with $1 billion to get Ukraine's prosecutor fired. What did Trump get for selling the Ukraine anti-tank missiles (which is what was discussed in the phone call)?
Having the corrupt Ukraine prosecutor fired was a mandate dictated by the US official national security polices.
 
Old 11-19-2019, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Miami.
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Deflection to "but Hillary" and "but Democrats" is intellectually lazy and betrays an total inability to put together a cogent counterpoint to the topic at hand.
The Republicans asking questions and defending President Trump against the Democrats charges are not deflecting anything. The are defending President Trump against the Democrats charges for political reasons against President Trump.

What do you want President Trump to do against the charges of the Democrats against him?

What do you want the Republicans on the committee to do against the charges of the Democrats against President Trump?

Thank you for answering my questions with your views and comments.
 
Old 11-19-2019, 09:41 AM
 
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Only after Biden bragged about bribing the Ukraine with $1 billion to fire its prosecutor within 6 hours, which they did. Biden's bribery should be investigated as a matter directly impacting our country's national interest.
This has been endlessly debunked, though. It's a lie. Biden shouldn't have helped his son get a job. I have a problem with nepotism in politics and there should be laws against it in all its forms. Strangely, though, we never hear from Trumpers about Trump's own nepotism and how his kids are raking in millions from their dad's position. It would be nice if you all were consistent on that.
But Biden wanted the prosecutor fired specifically because the prosecutor was corrupt, a long-standing issue in Ukraine. There is zero evidence that Biden did anything improper or illegal. You are swallowing conspiracy theories. There is a reason that Trump hasn't supposedly gone after corruption in any other country. He was targeting Biden because he was a political opponent.
 
Old 11-19-2019, 09:42 AM
 
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The problem is he said today that he doesn't know who the whistleblower is so he has to pretend he doesn't know while refusing to answer questions because he knows.

It's a situation that outs him as a liar and a bad actor, but he'll avoid legal trouble
Lt. Col Alexander Vindmann probably knows several people who discussed it amongst themselves.

If you (or I, or Vindmann) do not know, and haven't been told by the person himself (or herself), we just don't know. We can guess, we can imagine, but we don't know. That is the proper answer to the direct question.

Lt. Col Vindmann would have had to actually be with that person at the time of the report to witness it, clearly he wasn't. But it doesn't matter any more.

It didn't matter the minute Trump released the memo (Note: not a transcript) of his phone call.

There was internal bickering in the white house about the wisdom of releasing that memo, but Trump, in his infinite wisdom, in his very stable geniusness, decided to release it! The minute Trump did that the whistleblower account was corroborated with evidence from the president himself, and the whistleblower became irrelevant.

If Trump had actually released that memo before there was a whistleblower we would still be in this exact same place as we find ourselves today: Trump shaking down a foreign country for election help.

This is why the white house lawyer hid the transcript of the phone call, he knew how dangerous it was for Trump's presidency. The lawyer knew and Trump chose not to believe it.
 
Old 11-19-2019, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
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And Trump had Barr to do that, no need to hang the promise of aid to the Ukraine to get them to do it. Trump has the whole DOJ at his disposal to look into these matters.
Who's saying ONLY Ukraine were to investigate?
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