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Old 11-19-2019, 09:09 AM
 
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Sissy Vindman is nervous and tripping over his words.

 
Old 11-19-2019, 09:10 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Boss View Post
What we are learning is Trump set a US Policy to support Ukraine. Then he decided to go after dirt on his opponent without informing his staff the policy was changing. So they have the US Policy and Trump decided to use it to attack an opponent.

That is what is being said.
The thing that is obviously missing is any proof !!! Facts matter so they say !!!
 
Old 11-19-2019, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Boston
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The more Vindman speaks, the less credible he sounds.

He is in over his head, and sinking. Something's fishy with his testimony.
this is the worst thing that could happen to the Dems impeachment, a bumbling, stumbling, con man, testifying. This impeachment futility may end today. Now he's admitting he was in over his head.

he's losing it, becoming delusional.
 
Old 11-19-2019, 09:14 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The President leveraging of strategic (taxpayer) funds to advance personal political interests and not national interests is about as "inappropriate" as it comes.
Why would investigating Biden's act of corruption in 2016 be contrary to national interests?
 
Old 11-19-2019, 09:15 AM
 
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If he doesn't know, then he's got no grounds to specifically not name anyone. The fact that he named one person and refused to name one specific person suggests he knows or had reason to believe they are the whistleblower.... this he perjured himself when he said he didn't know.
He still would be guessing. That's not perjury. Vindman did not deny he spoke to someone. But he has no independent knowledge what the person did with the information.

I've never gotten around to reading the WB Complaint so offhand I don't know how it was structured - how many individuals the WB spoke with but I believe was several. And numerous individuals appears to have found the call inappropriate - albeit with only one filing a Complaint.

Again, this isn't to deny that Vindman contact may well be the whistleblower. Rather going down the "perjury" road using nonsensical reasoning for every single witness becomes tiresome.
 
Old 11-19-2019, 09:16 AM
 
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Vindman looks like the kid they used to beat up after school...
 
Old 11-19-2019, 09:18 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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But both witnesses just now said there wasn't any pressure indicated by the Ukrainians.
None.

That's clear.
Yep. This is all just another taxpayer money-wasting hoax. Dems are circling the drain. Pursuing these hoaxes instead of legislating to benefit Americans for whom they work. Idiots. The lot of them.
 
Old 11-19-2019, 09:19 AM
 
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Why would investigating Biden's act of corruption in 2016 be contrary to national interests?
Withholding strategic aid earmarked to help an strategic ally fend off military incursion by a geopolitical foe is contrary to our national interests. Encouraging a foreign nation to conjure up a baseless investigation in order to influence the outcome our Presidential election is contrary to our national interest. I would have thought those facts to be fairly self-evident.
 
Old 11-19-2019, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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The thing that is obviously missing is any proof !!! Facts matter so they say !!!
We are learning that a policy was created to support Ukraine.

Trump's call on July 25 was where he violated his own policy.

Setting off alarm from people who were informed of a policy for the COUNTRY. Who are there to follow it.

Trump violated that policy with his attempt to corrupt the funding and his own policy.
 
Old 11-19-2019, 09:21 AM
 
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He still would be guessing. That's not perjury.
If he was just guessing then he had no grounds to not mention Eric Ciaramella. It's only if he knew that gave him grounds to omit the name.
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