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And your talk about your people "leaving the coalition" is what accounts for the nasty snark being thrown at black conservatives who disagree with liberal policies. Black people should be free to vote for the candidate they think is better for the country, just as anyone else.
I personally think that Republicans should devote most of their time and money to capturing the independent vote, as is likely this time given the extreme left-turn the Democrat Party has taken. Add in the fact that the percentage of blacks supporting Trump has at least doubled to about 16% by some polls and quadrupled to a third in others, Trump will be very hard to defeat.
(The only chance Dems have now would be Bloomberg, because he's moderate and will capture independents, but the DNC will finagle things behind the scenes to ensure a lefty gets the nomination.)
Lol... Worry about YOUR own snark towards Black liberals before you play protector for Black Conservatives. White Conservatives are way more disrespectful towards Black Liberals than Black Liberals are towards Black Conservatives.
I've seen a lot of Black Liberals here back Colin Powell despite his Republican leanings, without calling him a slave or smearng his intentions. Name 3 Black Liberals YOU can say the same about.
I'm currently registered as a Democrat. That said, I really should be registered as an Independent as I have a mix of conservative, liberal, and moderate viewpoints.
FWIW, I'm a black man from Louisiana who gets flack from both sides.
The left: TRUMP WONT DO NOTHING FOR YOU! REPUBLICANS ARE USING YOU BLACKS! VOTE DEM!
The right: UNEMPLOYMENT IS DOWN UNDER TRUMP AND HES GETTING THEM JOBS! VOTE REP!
Actual Black People: ight imma head out (walks away and doesn't vote for anyone)
Sadly, there are still plenty of black people who WILL NOT VOTE. That's mindboggling to me. Even if you aren't going to vote, at least do your homework (i.e. see what the candidates are about) because you will be impacted whether you vote or not.
Wow. The entitlement attitude on you liberals! "You're going to pay for it whether you like it or not"!
And no, I will not pay. Your remark that if I could have stopped funding giveaway programs, I would shows that you clearly have a limited understanding of tax planning as it relates to the retiree "withdrawal" side of things. News flash: A person with a healthy nest egg of both pre- and post-tax funds DOES have a lot of control over when they pay taxes. I can at any time switch my withdrawal strategy to taking from post-tax funds (after taking from pre-tax funds up to the level of my deductions).
So, no....if a liberal socialist wins, I will NOT be paying off other people's college loans, providing "free" college and thus turn the four-year party experience into even more of the same, pay anything more than $290/month in reparations, give black families $25,000 for a housing downpayment, or any of the other bribery schemes the Democrats are peddling.
Nope....not gonna pay for giveaway programs that elevate the costs on hard-working, self-sufficient Americans. I worked too hard to be forced to provide granite countertops and stainless steel appliances to people on government support.*
*A big argument in my liberal area: Developers/owners participating in Section 8 and workforce housing cannot set aside designated apartments for people who are being supported by taxpayers to get "lesser" finishes. Apparently, liberals feel that people being supported by government programs deserve just as much as upper-middle class people who made sacrifices for their careers and can finally afford those things for themselves.
Yeah, I hear ya. But I ain’t buying it. Plus you’re trying too hard. That’s a dead giveaway.
Sure, others can avoid certain types of taxation. I’m saying that you can’t and won’t. You’d have done it already if you could.
So again....you know.
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Wow. The entitlement attitude on you liberals! "You're going to pay for it whether you like it or not"!
And no, I will not pay. Your remark that if I could have stopped funding giveaway programs, I would shows that you clearly have a limited understanding of tax planning as it relates to the retiree "withdrawal" side of things. News flash: A person with a healthy nest egg of both pre- and post-tax funds DOES have a lot of control over when they pay taxes. I can at any time switch my withdrawal strategy to taking from post-tax funds (after taking from pre-tax funds up to the level of my deductions).
So, no....if a liberal socialist wins, I will NOT be paying off other people's college loans, providing "free" college and thus turn the four-year party experience into even more of the same, pay anything more than $290/month in reparations, give black families $25,000 for a housing downpayment, or any of the other bribery schemes the Democrats are peddling.
Nope....not gonna pay for giveaway programs that elevate the costs on hard-working, self-sufficient Americans. I worked too hard to be forced to provide granite countertops and stainless steel appliances to people on government support.*
*A big argument in my liberal area: Developers/owners participating in Section 8 and workforce housing cannot set aside designated apartments for people who are being supported by taxpayers to get "lesser" finishes. Apparently, liberals feel that people being supported by government programs deserve just as much as upper-middle class people who made sacrifices for their careers and can finally afford those things for themselves.
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Yeah, I hear ya. But I ain’t buying it. Plus you’re trying too hard. That’s a dead giveaway.
Doesn't matter if you buy it or not. The advice has traditionally been to let ROTH IRAs grow tax-free and withdraw from them last, but if one of the giveaway socialists wins in 2020, I will reverse that and start taking from the ROTH first, and then from my traditional IRA only up to the point I can offset it with deductions. I think it's a great plan so I won't be robbed blind to pay for housing down-payments for black families, student loan payoffs, college tuition, and whatever other nonsense the leftists dream up. In fact, 2020 might be a year to convert a little more into ROTH ("frontload" my taxes) and then be in a position to have an even bigger ROTH to withdraw from should the worst happen and a Sanders/Warren redistributionist wins.
This might be a better topic to discuss in the financial forum. (I'm heading out for Thanksgiving Dinner shortly, so not today....but for anyone interested - I know DesertDetroiter isn't because he wants to pay for all the freebies - watch for it. Could be an interesting discussion on withdrawal strategy in light of increasing taxes under Democrats.
And your talk about your people "leaving the coalition" is what accounts for the nasty snark being thrown at black conservatives who disagree with liberal policies. Black people should be free to vote for the candidate they think is better for the country, just as anyone else.
I personally think that Republicans should devote most of their time and money to capturing the independent vote, as is likely this time given the extreme left-turn the Democrat Party has taken. Add in the fact that the percentage of blacks supporting Trump has at least doubled to about 16% by some polls and quadrupled to a third in others, Trump will be very hard to defeat.
(The only chance Dems have now would be Bloomberg, because he's moderate and will capture independents, but the DNC will finagle things behind the scenes to ensure a lefty gets the nomination.)
See what out? That’s what. That’s not within your purview. I wouldn’t concern myself with it if I were you.
The coalition is not a topic of discussion. I’ve actually already said too much about it and given more info than I should’ve.
You think the Republicans should spend more time chasing the independent vote? If you say so, sure. Why not. I’m not a Republican and never will be one so I’m fairly insouciant about Republican goals just as long as they don’t come around me looking for votes.
Wrong — more liberal fake news propaganda.
Show us one instance where the R’s have looked down on blacks
Republicans don’t separate out and pander to blacks as “victims” or as less than like democrats do. Rs see blacks as equal Americans who should act with the same personal responsibility as everyone else.
Example — democrats said it would be too difficult and burdensome for many blacks to get voter ID.
Republicans appointed the first black Secretary of State.
Republicans appointed the first black Secretary of Defence.
Republicans appointed the first black head of HUD
Republicans appointed a black man as head of the RNC well before the DNC ever had a black leader.
Republicans want school choice to help blacks in bad school districts — democrats are beholden to union lobbyists and refuse to admit why blacks are suffering in bad schools. Republican Ds want blacks to have school choice, Dems don’t because it threatens Dems control over blacks....
Etc etc etc etc
How many times did that group bring up democrats as “pandering” to them?
It’s democrats who look down on blacks as less than and as perpetual victims.....
GOP doesn't refer to Blacks as victims. However, I can find plenty of articles showing some Republicans referring to Blacks in very unsettling terms.
Former Chairman of Douglas County,GA, Tom Worthan, was found to have said some very bad things about Blacks. He claimed things like "blacks will bankrupt you". He soundly lost his position. https://www.ajc.com/news/local-govt-...jij3peheLma1H/
And you got some of this wrong. The first Black head of HUD is Robert C. Weaver, a Democrat. He was also the first head of H.U.D. ever, when it was established under LBJ. GOP didn't appoint Weaver.
Ronald H. Brown was the first Black person to be chairman of the DNC, before a Black person was made chairman of the RNC.
And Michael Steele, who was the first Black person to be chairman of the RNC, was not treated so well. His own party snubbed him. He's even gotten comments, from fellow GOP members, that the only reason he got the position was because he was Black. https://www.newsweek.com/gop-ignores...african-822068
Now, U.S. Secretary of State, and Secretary of Defense, I'll give you. The rest, however, you're wrong.
People think that black people are too stupid to know or understand about our own well-being. The reality is that neither party has our best interests and IMO, we should either register as independents and vote according to the issue or form our own political parties.
It's painful to watch such stupidity. The sad part is that some people think that type of stupidity is cute and humorous.
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