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Old 11-27-2019, 05:57 PM
 
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Yeah...there are no angry racist white people around here.
You consider any white a racist if he or she makes the observation that blacks' problems cannot entirely be blamed on white people, and that blacks are, to some extent, responsible for their own outcomes in life.
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Old 11-27-2019, 06:10 PM
 
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You consider any white a racist if he or she makes the observation that blacks' problems cannot entirely be blamed on white people, and that blacks are, to some extent, responsible for their own outcomes in life.
You toss around silly platitudes as easily as you drink water.

When did I ever blame whites people for anything? When did I ever say that ANYONE isn’t responsible for their own plight in this life?

If I called you a racist, it’s because you said something that was blatantly racist. Not to mention the paternalistic, imperious condescension while playing the role of someone who’s in a position to dispense advice to a community of people that you not only don’t know personally, but wouldn’t say half this crap to if you met them in person.

If you object to my estimation of you, then so be it. But my job is to call it like I see it. I don’t remember calling you a racist directly, but hey...if the shoe fits.
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Old 11-27-2019, 06:19 PM
 
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You toss around silly platitudes as easily as you drink water.

When did I ever blame whites people for anything? When did I ever say that ANYONE isn’t responsible for their own plight in this life?

If I called you a racist, it’s because you said something that was blatantly racist. Not to mention the paternalistic, imperious condescension while playing the role of someone who’s in a position to dispense advice to a community of people that you not only don’t know personally, but wouldn’t say half this crap to if you met them in person.

If you object to my estimation of you, then so be it. But my job is to call it like I see it. I don’t remember calling you a racist directly, but hey...if the shoe fits.
"Dispense advise"? You mean like saying that if the black community would stop having the majority of babies out of wedlock, they would see their poverty and crime rates go down and their educational attainment level go up? That's hardly "dispensing advice". That's just common sense.

It seems that you want white people to just shut up and agree to fund more giveaway programs. If you want whites' help, whites certainly have a right to say the obvious: that blacks would need less help if they got married before they had babies. It's so obvious.
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Old 11-27-2019, 06:31 PM
 
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"Dispense advise"? You mean like saying that if the black community would stop having the majority of babies out of wedlock, they would see their poverty and crime rates go down and their educational attainment level go up? That's hardly "dispensing advice". That's just common sense.

It seems that you want white people to just shut up and agree to fund more giveaway programs. If you want whites' help, whites certainly have a right to say the obvious: that blacks would need less help if they got married before they had babies. It's so obvious.
I don’t care if whites shut up or not. We don’t hear them regardless of how much they talk about us. The point is that they’re not talking TO us. And until they do that, we have no reason to listen. Talking about us is meaningless. We already assume that they do that incessantly. Big whoop.

Want white’s help? Nope. We want what we’re entitled to as citizens, and we’ll get it just like everyone else does. And we don’t feel the least bit guilty about it.

And yeah, you’re gonna keep funding all the “giveaway programs” as you’ve termed them. I will too. It’s gonna keep coming out of our checks as long as we work.

If I’ve gotta pay for dumb trillion dollar wars and aid to Israel and Ukraine, then you can pay for domestic programs. And you will pay for them come hell or high water. Sure, you won’t like it, but you’ll get over your anger. Or...you can let your anger kill you. It’s your choice.
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Old 11-27-2019, 06:35 PM
 
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I don’t care if whites shut up or not. We don’t hear them regardless of how much they talk about us. The point is that they’re not talking TO us. And until they do that, we have no reason to listen. Talking about us is meaningless. We already assume that they do that incessantly. Big whoop.

Want white’s help? Nope. We want what we’re entitled to as citizens, and we’ll get it just like everyone else does. And we don’t feel the least bit guilty about it.

And yeah, you’re gonna keep funding all the “giveaway programs” as you’ve termed them. I will too. It’s gonna keep coming out of our checks as long as we work.

If I’ve gotta pay for dumb trillion dollar wars and aid to Israel and Ukraine, then you can pay for domestic programs. And you will pay for them come hell or high water. Sure, you won’t like it, but you’ll get over your anger. Or...you can let your anger kill you. It’s your choice.
Is that some kind of threat? News flash: people are NOT entitled to giveaway programs. And no....I will NOT pay for them. If one of the giveaway Democrats get in, with their free this and free that, I will arrange my finances so I will pay little if any federal taxes. I can do that. (I don't work for a paycheck.)
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Old 11-27-2019, 08:58 PM
 
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Is that some kind of threat? News flash: people are NOT entitled to giveaway programs. And no....I will NOT pay for them. If one of the giveaway Democrats get in, with their free this and free that, I will arrange my finances so I will pay little if any federal taxes. I can do that. (I don't work for a paycheck.)
If you were gonna do that or COULD do that, you would’ve done it already.

“I don’t believe you, you need more people.”

Threat? Take it how you want. But you’re gonna keep paying into the social safety net. Ain’t no getting out of it.
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Old 11-27-2019, 11:41 PM
 
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You and your ilks dismissive and delusional views of Black people are part of the reason a Republican will never get 1/6 of the Black vote in my lifetime. Start respecting the Black vote and stop treating it like something that should fall in your lap, and that might change.
How is "the black vote" any better than any other groups' vote? Also, black people are diverse in terms of class, status, needs, etc so why would their vote be monolithic (the black vote)? Black individuals would be expected to vote differently according to their needs, so their shouldn't be a "black vote" (or a white vote, or any other "group" vote).
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Old 11-28-2019, 04:54 AM
 
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How is "the black vote" any better than any other groups' vote? Also, black people are diverse in terms of class, status, needs, etc so why would their vote be monolithic (the black vote)? Black individuals would be expected to vote differently according to their needs, so their shouldn't be a "black vote" (or a white vote, or any other "group" vote).
No one insists that it’s “better.” The fascination with how blacks vote isn’t coming from the African Americans in here.

Moreover, there’s a “black vote” because we built this coalition immediately after being enslaved based on our shared history. A few have decided to leave the coalition. The remainder of us, like myself, remain in the coalition that our (Black) forefathers built for us, and speaking for me personally, I will NEVER dishonor or betray the people that built this coalition by leaving it.

I (and many others) plan to see this thing out until I hit the casket. If the Republicans want this voting bloc back (and they desperately do regardless of what people on CD claim), they’re gonna have to come correct and chill with all the greasy talk.
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Old 11-28-2019, 05:36 AM
 
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If you were gonna do that or COULD do that, you would’ve done it already.

“I don’t believe you, you need more people.”

Threat? Take it how you want. But you’re gonna keep paying into the social safety net. Ain’t no getting out of it.
Wow. The entitlement attitude on you liberals! "You're going to pay for it whether you like it or not"!

And no, I will not pay. Your remark that if I could have stopped funding giveaway programs, I would shows that you clearly have a limited understanding of tax planning as it relates to the retiree "withdrawal" side of things. News flash: A person with a healthy nest egg of both pre- and post-tax funds DOES have a lot of control over when they pay taxes. I can at any time switch my withdrawal strategy to taking from post-tax funds (after taking from pre-tax funds up to the level of my deductions).

So, no....if a liberal socialist wins, I will NOT be paying off other people's college loans, providing "free" college and thus turn the four-year party experience into even more of the same, pay anything more than $290/month in reparations, give black families $25,000 for a housing downpayment, or any of the other bribery schemes the Democrats are peddling.

Nope....not gonna pay for giveaway programs that elevate the costs on hard-working, self-sufficient Americans. I worked too hard to be forced to provide granite countertops and stainless steel appliances to people on government support.*

*A big argument in my liberal area: Developers/owners participating in Section 8 and workforce housing cannot set aside designated apartments for people who are being supported by taxpayers to get "lesser" finishes. Apparently, liberals feel that people being supported by government programs deserve just as much as upper-middle class people who made sacrifices for their careers and can finally afford those things for themselves.
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Old 11-28-2019, 05:44 AM
 
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No one insists that it’s “better.” The fascination with how blacks vote isn’t coming from the African Americans in here.

Moreover, there’s a “black vote” because we built this coalition immediately after being enslaved based on our shared history. A few have decided to leave the coalition. The remainder of us, like myself, remain in the coalition that our (Black) forefathers built for us, and speaking for me personally, I will NEVER dishonor or betray the people that built this coalition by leaving it.

I (and many others) plan to see this thing out until I hit the casket. If the Republicans want this voting bloc back (and they desperately do regardless of what people on CD claim), they’re gonna have to come correct and chill with all the greasy talk.
Plan to see what out??

And your talk about your people "leaving the coalition" is what accounts for the nasty snark being thrown at black conservatives who disagree with liberal policies. Black people should be free to vote for the candidate they think is better for the country, just as anyone else.

I personally think that Republicans should devote most of their time and money to capturing the independent vote, as is likely this time given the extreme left-turn the Democrat Party has taken. Add in the fact that the percentage of blacks supporting Trump has at least doubled to about 16% by some polls and quadrupled to a third in others, Trump will be very hard to defeat.


(The only chance Dems have now would be Bloomberg, because he's moderate and will capture independents, but the DNC will finagle things behind the scenes to ensure a lefty gets the nomination.)
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