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I have to agree with you in part. First, your chronology above does not change the fact that Trump intended to make the aid contingent on the "favor" he sought from Ukraine's president. However, The House has charged him with Abuse of Power, which is not a crime defined by any statute that I am aware of. The other article is Obstruction of Congress, which likewise is ill-defined.
It is reminiscent of the Clinton impeachment. republicans wanted to impeach him for the Lewinsky affair, but of course no crime was committed. They did catch him in perjury, which is a crime, but ultimately not serious enough to warrant removal. They also accused him of obstruction of justice, which is similar to the obstruction of Congress charge for Trump.
I agree that a resolution of censure would have been a more appropriate action, in both cases.
"your chronology above does not change the fact that Trump intended to make the aid contingent on the "favor" he sought from Ukraine's president."
If it DID, they would have filed articles of impeachment for it. Explain why they did NOT.
And the dog and pony show put on by the dem controlled House dems does NOT prove "that Trump intended to make the aid contingent on the "favor" he sought from Ukraine's president".
Tell me what Republicans aren't Trump footlocker at this point. They are all yellow belly cowards towing the party line. Republicans don't give a damn about rule of law.
Tell me what DEMOCRATS weren't clinton and obama footlocker at ANY point.
They are all yellow belly cowards towing the party line. Which is why EVERY dem in the House, except one I believe, voted to impeach and most dem senators support it.
It doesn't matter whether the technical components of a crime exist or not. What matters is whether enough Senators feel that Trump has crossed a line that makes it obvious he is too incompetent and corrupt to ignore any longer. A good fraction of the Republicans in the Senate had nothing but contempt for Trump when was running and that is not likely to have gone away. They just keep silent and keep their heads down for political expediency. I suspect Trump would be easily convicted if the Senate voted anonymously. But right now they need cover to justify voting him out and so far I don't think the Dems have it. But new stuff keeps coming up just as it did with Nixon.
This shows why court proceedings don't allow the prosecutor to continue to dredge up "evidence" after the trial has concluded. It would be never-ending, and it would just look like a witch-hunt.
Can't wait to see what comes out of the two court cases where the House Judiciary Committee is seeking evidence from Mueller's grand jury and testimony from Don McGahn, Trump’s former top White House lawyer.
This shows why court proceedings don't allow the prosecutor to continue to dredge up "evidence" after the trial has concluded. It would be never-ending, and it would just look like a witch-hunt.
What are you talking about? The trial in the Senate hasn't even started.
Do you live in the U.S.?
I ask because it seems you do not understand how our government systems work here.
Can't wait to see what comes out of the two court cases where the House Judiciary Committee is seeking evidence from Mueller's grand jury and testimony from Don McGahn, Trump’s former top White House lawyer.
DC Circuit Oral Argument on Mueller Investigation Grand Jury Testimony & Documents (AUDIO ONLY)
The DC Circuit Court heard an oral argument on House lawmakers attempt to unseal grand jury testimony and documents from the Mueller investigation. The court heard from Mark Freeman, Justice Department Civil Division Appellate Staff Director, and Douglas Letter, U.S. House of Representatives General Counsel.
House counsel warns of ‘gun battle’ in fight for Trump info
Letter said there’s no case that comes anywhere close to saying Congress cannot go to court to enforce its investigatory powers
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... Things turned a little wilder in the argument on the case about grand jury materials, when Judge Neomi Rao asked House General Counsel Doug Letter a hypothetical question.
Rao asked: If the D.C. Circuit authorized the House to get the grand jury information from the Justice Department — instead of ordered the DOJ to turn it over as the lower court had done — would the House have to then have to subpoena the Justice Department for that information?
Rao said she was unable to find any case in which a court ordered the DOJ to release grand jury information to Congress, and that the Justice Department couldn’t tell them today whether the Justice Department would turn the information over without an order to do so.
Letter said it was “stunning” to think that Barr would not turn over the information if the D.C. Circuit ruled that the House was entitled to it. The House would have to send out its sergeant at arms to collect the grand jury information if the court did not order the DOJ to turn it over, Letter said.
“That’s why we don’t do that anymore. We don’t have the sergeant at arms go out and arrest people, and maybe have a gun battle with Mr. Barr’s FBI security detail. Instead, we go to court,” Letter said. “Everybody has recognized that we go to court.”
Letter said there’s no case that comes anywhere close to saying Congress cannot go to court to enforce its investigatory powers for oversight or impeachment.
And Letter had some sarcasm for the argument that Congress should forgo lawsuits and instead use its inherent contempt power to physically arrest those who don’t turn over information to Congress — which hasn’t been used since the 1920s — or its appropriations power.
“The sergeant at arms will arrest Attorney General Barr next time he’s up at Congress, I’ve run into him in the halls there, so next time he’s there we’ll just arrest him,” Letter said. “And we can we can go about it that way, or we can shut down the government. There’s a great way for Congress to get information, we’ll shut down the entire government for a couple of months. We saw what a disaster that was.”
So, why is this the only news source that has been talking about this?
Has the left been snowed by the left....gruber....gruber...gruber......
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