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Old 01-02-2020, 11:55 AM
 
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The interesting thing about this is it shows this was a premeditated plan by Trump, not just some offhand remark during a phone call. And he can't claim that he didn't know it was wrong, since so many people in his administration tried to stop it.
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Old 01-02-2020, 11:57 AM
 
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But Republican senators still won't consider it impeachable and removable.
I was being sarcastic. That is why I included the "roll-eyes" smiley.
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Old 01-02-2020, 12:03 PM
 
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The interesting thing about this is it shows this was a premeditated plan by Trump, not just some offhand remark during a phone call.
There was no remark in the phone call. Nothing about withholding aid at all.
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Old 01-02-2020, 12:06 PM
 
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The interesting thing about this is it shows this was a premeditated plan by Trump, not just some offhand remark during a phone call. And he can't claim that he didn't know it was wrong, since so many people in his administration tried to stop it.
The other interesting thing is that the original emails released were heavily redacted. If Trump's withholding of aid was so legit, why the secrecy?
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Old 01-02-2020, 12:09 PM
 
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There was no remark in the phone call. Nothing about withholding aid at all.
Sure. And when a mobster says "You have a beautiful family. It would be a shame if something were to happen to them", that's not a threat.
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Old 01-02-2020, 12:39 PM
 
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Sure. And when a mobster says "You have a beautiful family. It would be a shame if something were to happen to them", that's not a threat.
It isn't a threat. Not in the black and white definition of the law.

The simple facts of the aid to Ukraine are:
  • The deadline to provide the aid was Sep 30, 2019.
  • The aid was delivered Sep 11, 2019.
  • Sep 11 falls BEFORE Sep 30 on the calendar, therefore aid to Ukraine was delivered before the deadline, therefore there was no delay in aid being delivered, thus the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Act of 1974 was not violated in any way, per the Ukraine aid package with a deadline of Sep 30, 2019.
Now I realize that you think "oh, we know what he meant" constitutes proof of a crime, but no crime got committed. No aid was withheld, no favor was done, and the person that was apparently the "victim" of the non-existent crime has repeatedly and quite consistently claimed that he was never aware of any withholding, or coercion, or anything of the sort.

Yeah, it may have the look of being sorta skeevy, but according to the black and white of things, nothing illegal took place. That's why McConnell has called it the thinnest, most partisan and baseless impeachment of all time. The charges are made up crimes that make "annoying House Democrats" sound like something legit, and are largely baseless.

They should have gone for censure for presenting the appearance of impropriety. It would have stuck, they would have retained the narrative forever, and that would have been that. Instead, they went for trying to make presenting the appearance of impropriety a crime, when it isn't. That's the fail, and eventually it will be discarded as such.
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Old 01-02-2020, 12:43 PM
 
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These allegations are coming from this person.



https://www.justsecurity.org/author/brannenkate/


And she provides absolutely no proof. But she is a writer for The Atlantic, The Guardian, The Daily Beast, Slate, USA Today, Newsweek and Vice.


See Rachel Maddow.


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Old 01-02-2020, 02:00 PM
 
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I wonder if any of the Trump bootlickers in Congress will address this when returning to work next week.

And there's no way Trump's ego can't speak out about this, wonder what he'll tweet out about this news below.

No wonder Trump won't allow any of his people to testify.


https://twitter.com/Kristib43042441/...00731968933888
They won't care. Nothing he does will change their minds. They will support him to the bitter end.
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Old 01-02-2020, 02:14 PM
 
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They won't care. Nothing he does will change their minds. They will support him to the bitter end.

Lets see what those emails say...they were produced via FOIA......


I'm guessing it's twisted words....as normal from the left....
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Old 01-02-2020, 02:17 PM
 
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Bet ya'll have REALLY got him now.

Yawn fest 2020, and we are only on Jan 2nd. LOL
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