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Old 01-18-2020, 05:21 AM
 
Location: DFW
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I'm not a conspiracy-minded person, but this constructed fenced in protest area, with limited exits, is a recipe for trouble.

Perhaps by design...


https://twitter.com/CEOErickHayden/s...07952795947008
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Old 01-18-2020, 05:31 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Virginia Senate passes three gun control measures before weekend starts.

SB 35 would allow local governments to ban people from carrying guns at public events, in governmental buildings and in other public places owned by the government, like public parks.

SB 69 would forbid people, other than licensed gun dealers, from buying more than 1 one handgun within a 30-day period.

SB 70 would require a background check for all private transfers of guns. It would require the private seller to get verification from a licensed firearm dealer that a background check has been performed on the buyer and that the police has confirmed that the buyer is not prohibited under federal law and state law from possessing a gun.

https://www.jurist.org/news/2020/01/...trol-measures/
This doesn't sound like much of an impact, plenty of states go far beyond those laws.
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Old 01-18-2020, 05:50 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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This doesn't sound like much of an impact, plenty of states go far beyond those laws.

All this for Monday is about SB16.

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Prohibiting sale, transport, etc., of assault firearms and certain firearm magazines; penalties. Expands the definition of "assault firearm" and prohibits any person from importing, selling, transferring, manufacturing, purchasing, possessing, or transporting an assault firearm. A violation is a Class 6 felony. The bill prohibits a dealer from selling, renting, trading, or transferring from his inventory an assault firearm to any person. The bill also prohibits a person from carrying a shotgun with a magazine that will hold more than seven rounds of the longest ammunition for which it is chambered in a public place; under existing law, this prohibition applies only in certain localities. The bill makes it a Class 1 misdemeanor to import, sell, barter, or transfer any firearm magazine designed to hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition.
https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/leg...e?201+sum+SB16

Which already failed.
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Old 01-18-2020, 06:11 AM
 
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Can you imagine if they declared a state of emergency for some of the rap festivals that have ended in violence in recent years?

How would that be received?

This smacks of political posturing by the governor trying to portray the entire group as dangerous.
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Old 01-18-2020, 06:22 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Can you imagine if they declared a state of emergency for some of the rap festivals that have ended in violence in recent years?

How would that be received?

This smacks of political posturing by the governor trying to portray the entire group as dangerous.
Why not just declare a state of emergency in high gun crime zones? Put up fences and frisk everyone entering or leaving.

"Between 2007 and 2018, 72% of all homicides involved guns in Virginia, and black males ages 20-24 had the highest rates of gun-relate homicide."

"Petersburg City had the highest gun-related homicide rates between 2013 and 2017, followed by Richmond City, Danville City, Emporia City and Norfolk City."


Commonwealth of Virginia Forensic Epidemiologist, Kathrin Hobron
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Old 01-18-2020, 06:27 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Why not just declare a state of emergency in high gun crime zones? Put up fences and frisk everyone entering or leaving.

"Between 2007 and 2018, 72% of all homicides involved guns in Virginia, and black males ages 20-24 had the highest rates of gun-relate homicide."

"Petersburg City had the highest gun-related homicide rates between 2013 and 2017, followed by Richmond City, Danville City, Emporia City and Norfolk City."


Commonwealth of Virginia Forensic Epidemiologist, Kathrin Hobron
Wow some good statistics.

Kind of shows there is a need for better gun control. Adding easier gun ownership has not produced the NRA result.

No wonder why the NRA fights against statistical studies on gun related incidents.
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Old 01-18-2020, 06:51 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Wow some good statistics.

Kind of shows there is a need for better gun control. Adding easier gun ownership has not produced the NRA result.

No wonder why the NRA fights against statistical studies on gun related incidents.
No. Insufficient gun control isn't the problem. The problem is those committing the gun crimes. There's a distinct pattern, as identified by the Commonwealth of Virginia's Forensic Epidemiologist. That needs to be addressed.

Note than even though rural residents tend to own guns in higher percentages, that's not where the high gun crime zones are located.
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Old 01-18-2020, 07:05 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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Why not just declare a state of emergency in high gun crime zones? Put up fences and frisk everyone entering or leaving.

"Between 2007 and 2018, 72% of all homicides involved guns in Virginia, and black males ages 20-24 had the highest rates of gun-relate homicide."

"Petersburg City had the highest gun-related homicide rates between 2013 and 2017, followed by Richmond City, Danville City, Emporia City and Norfolk City."

Commonwealth of Virginia Forensic Epidemiologist, Kathrin Hobron
DC did something like this a few years ago in the Trinidad neighborhood in northeast DC. No fences but everyone entering the neighborhood was checked out pretty good. It was controversial but Trinidad was out of control at that time and no one could argue that it wasn't a state of emergency. I'm not a fan of stop and frisk but sometimes public safety has to come before civil liberties.
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Old 01-18-2020, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Can you imagine if they declared a state of emergency for some of the rap festivals that have ended in violence in recent years?

How would that be received?

This smacks of political posturing by the governor trying to portray the entire group as dangerous.
Judging from some of the arrests this week by the FBI it seems to make sense.
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Old 01-18-2020, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Fortunately for civilization and those who appreciate it more than their desire to live in dystopian/wild west societies, this most likely won't happen. Keep dreaming though.
HONEST ABE will explain it - - -
"What I do say is that no man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent. I say this is the leading principle, the sheet-anchor of American republicanism. Our Declaration of Independence says: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
- - - Abraham Lincoln, Speech at Peoria, Illinois (1854)
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Abraham_lincoln


There is nothing uncivilized or dystopian about a people who are sovereign and free. Absent consent, all government can do is secure endowed rights by adjudicating disputes, prosecuting criminals and defending against all enemies foreign or domestic... AND NOTHING MORE.
And since no government instituted to secure rights can tax rights, all it can tax are privileges it grants. If the people CEASE exercising government privileges, there will be little to tax.


SOVEREIGNS WITHOUT SUBJECTS
“... at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people, and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects, and have none to govern but themselves. . .
“... In Europe, the sovereignty is generally ascribed to the Prince; here, it rests with the people; there, the sovereign actually administers the government; here, never in a single instance; our Governors are the agents of the [sovereign] people, and, at most, stand in the same relation to their sovereign [the people] in which regents in Europe stand to their sovereigns.”
- - - Justice John Jay, Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 U.S. 2 Dall. 419 419 (1793)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremec...CR_0002_0419_Z
- - -
In the republican form of government, the people are sovereigns (unless they consent otherwise) served by (not ruled by) servant government (composed of subject citizens). Their rights and liberties existed before constitutional government (which is why the republican form is NOT a constitutional republic - nor can a constitutional government institute a republican form).

It would be interesting to see what Virginia would do once deprived of 93% of its revenues and 93% of its subjects to rule. It might rapidly revert to being a SERVANT to the sovereign people. Wouldn't that be a shock to the socialists.
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