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It was Craigiri who made the 6x10 claim. Easy to mix up all this misinformation and wild postulations about firearms capabilities.
Such as wounds inflicted from "weapons of war" (meaning AR type rifles) being somehow more severe than "regular guns". Ummm yea. OK then.
Nope....I just looked at the ruler held next to the ballistics gel and read off the report which listed the cm range of the CAVITY affected.
It's BS to say I stated "hole". I also linked to another couple of diagrams which detailed the specific wounds....which may have bene in pigs, humans or otherwise.
I also made the idea of "hole" clear by stating that if we dropped an atomic bomb on the superbowl the hole it made in the roof would be quite small. But when it hit the ground (it is had a contact fuse) that results would differ INSIDE the "enclosed body" of the bowl
I refuse to believe that adults are so clueless as to sit here and tell us that the affected cavity inside the human body...as evidenced by testings for many years - does not represent 100's of times the volume area of the bullet itself.
Please. Let me hear you state that. Or anyone else.
"I, Joe, do not believe that the affected cavity inside the human body by the best .223 ammo shot out of the proper barrel is dozens of times the cubic volume of the bullet itself traveling straight through at it;'s size"....
Simple, right?
If the projectile is 1/4" x 3/4" (and it is...approx") and it simply made the same size hole through 1 lineal foot of the human body, that would be a cylinder .25 x .75 x 12 inches.
This is .6 cubic inches - less than one.
Now, let's take the mid-range of the cavities shown in various tests as a round ball (just to make things easier - even tho it is elongated).
If that round ball was 4 inches - (most are larger), that would represent a area of 33 cubic inches.....
Or, 50 times the damage.
I think I am being conservative here. I'd say the range is 40-100 times the damage of "straight hole".
But, anyway, what does this have to do with the Neo-Nazis wanted to cause havoc in VA? Should we let them do do with .223 because of the small entrance hole?
VITAL TO DISARM
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You can never have an efficient totalitarian police state, when it has to be “benevolent” and fearful of millions of armed citizens. And you can’t disarm millions of armed citizens when they won’t tell you where the arms are. And you can’t arrest them until you criminalize their disobedience to “reasonable” gun restrictions and “common sense” registration. And you can’t tolerate their belief that they have an “endowed right” to self defense against tyranny, that supersedes your political power of the bigger gun.
• An Armed Populace Fears No Government.
• A Disarmed Populace Fears All Government.
• A Criminal Government Fears Guns.
• An Honest Government Appreciates the Assistance.
Criminals acquire guns by disregarding laws.
Making victims helpless is the government's job.
WHY?
DEMOCRACY - a form of government where the majority can legally oppress the minority - unless they can shoot back.
* Mandatory background checks on all purchases
* Law allowing cities and towns to ban guns at public events
* Handgun purchases limited to one per month
What's to protest? These are good laws that enhance public safety while not restricting anyone's right to own a gun.
One gun a month. At best you can shoot two at a time and not hit anything. What purpose is this stupid law? The thing that is scary is that there are people out there that think this crap makes sense. Of what use would this be?
If you think trafficking it's far easier to do it avoiding any gun store and do it in quantity. Not one at a time which is freaking beyond stupid. Most guns won't fetch a big markup anyway. If you want to control people there are far easier ways. What you want is a North Korea.
Remember, PEOPLE have the endowed right to life and the right to bear ANY arms in that defense. That right is not subject to nor object of the servant government instituted to secure endowed rights.
BUT...
CITIZENS surrendered their endowment and accepted mandatory civic duties that abrogate endowed rights. Thus it is within the purview of government to restrict their privileges (called “civil rights”).
Didn't a certain document state that all men have Creator endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure - not tax, infringe nor trespass?
7/4/1776?
If you need government's permission, it's not a right.
Remember, PEOPLE have the endowed right to life and the right to bear ANY arms in that defense. That right is not subject to nor object of the servant government instituted to secure endowed rights.
BUT...
CITIZENS surrendered their endowment and accepted mandatory civic duties that abrogate endowed rights. Thus it is within the purview of government to restrict their privileges (called “civil rights”).
Didn't a certain document state that all men have Creator endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure - not tax, infringe nor trespass?
7/4/1776?
If you need government's permission, it's not a right.
The "tumble" thing took on a life of its own back in the 60s, just as you said. what was a design flaw, which was remedied in the early 70s and has never been "unremedied" is still considered an intended feature which persists to this day. It's pure nonsense.
Thanks for making the Hague Accords reference, since people hear "full metal jacket" and think "omfg, super duper lethal!!", when FMJ is designed for the cleanest, least destructive wound channels possible, as anyone with even cursory knowledge of ballistic performance is aware. In fact, my firearm enthusiast buddies and I clown FMJ as "cheapo plink ammo" only suited to shooting at paper, since I wouldn't trust my self-defense to anything less than JHPs.
5.56NATO/.223 is a weird urban legend that simply will not die no matter how thoroughly it gets debunked. Knuckleheads like corpgypsy and cragiri are just those silly neighborhood kids who swear they know a guy who knows a dude who dated a chick whose uncle knew a guy that knows how the .223 round was designed in Lex Luthor's underwater fortress to cause massive human suffering on an unparalleled scale...because he was there, man. I swear! And there is a engine that runs on tap water, four different versions of perpetual motion, cold fusion in some dude's basement, and Elvis lives in Buenos Aires.
ROFLMAO at Lex Luthors underwater lab. That is EXACTLY what that bilge water getting spouted sounds like. Straight out of the DC Universe.
It really does drive me nuts. The "military" FM I have is there for paper only purpose as well. Competition too of course. The non steel core stuff anyway. Oddly enough my AR sorta likes M855 62 gr. Groups it nice on paper.
I've never used the military type stuff on anything breathing. Even a coyote would just run off after a plumb center hit. It's kind of amusing that such lethal power is being claimed about the AR platform and the ammo used.
If it were so devastating our troops wouldnt have been yelling so loudly to get a better weapon chambered in a serious caliber. The M4/16 is not so popular with our combat troops.
But hey, let's not let little things like the actual truth get in the way of planting all this misinformation and outright falsehood out there. It SOUNDS so fearsome after all. Who would want to make such immense claims if it wasnt true? LMAO
Central Virginia and Tidewater are as blue or bluer than Northern Va.
Here are the 10 most liberal places in Virginia for 2019:
Petersburg
Charlottesville
Richmond
Alexandria
Falls Church
Norfolk
Williamsburg
Hampton
Portsmouth
Emporia
It's unfortunate that in most cases voters in a liberal city speak for the entire county and state the city is in, and conservative voters in the city and rural areas of the county don't get the desired results in elections.
Ahem, PEOPLE (not citizens) have the right to bear arms. The court decision is only binding upon citizens. Remember, citizens are also the militia and government DOES have the power to regulate which arms its citizen militia can bear.
If you have Creator endowed rights, you're under the republican form.
If you have consented to be governed, as their citizen, you're under their indirect democratic form.
Caveat - mandatory civic duties abrogate all endowed rights.
Realistically speaking, I doubt that many Americans will bother to read their own laws and decide to withdraw consent because of the fraud used to acquire that consent.
But I think it would be useful for the subject citizens to politely notify their public servants, that such actions as this will instigate a massive withdrawal of consent.
Not only will this restore all endowed rights, but will severely reduce tax revenues and subjects to govern. Remember, NO right can be taxed, lest it be diminished by higher taxation. Only government privileges are taxable.
Therefore, if 10% or more of Virginians 'leave' the reservation, the state coffers will immediately suffer a 10% decline (if not more).
If 50% leave, the fat lady will be singing, and the socialists will find themselves without the means to legally rob and bribe.
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