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Exactly, this country’s growth has always been dependent on immigrant labor. Their fathers and grandfathers were likely either immigrants or not that many generations removed from the first generation immigrants. It is true that a lot of Americans won’t take the jobs, because they are either lazy or have other options for work that are more favorable to them. It is ridiculous to think all of these jobs would be filled without immigration, it is not living in the real world. Oftentimes these anti-immigrant arguments aren’t from a sound economic perspective and are often argued for the purpose of maintaining “demographics”.
What you need to remember, is that back in the day the Europeans were immigrating to America too - the Germans, the Norwegians, the Italians, the Irish - not just Mexicans and Guatemalans.
And this was keeping the balance, and there were less concerns about immigration than it is today.
But when the first ones stopped immigrating to the US in big numbers ( providing the farm and mines/factory labor,) while the second group keeps on arriving - yes, this creates a lot of resistance in terms of "demographics."
And it's understandable I would think...
They don't want to learn new skill. They don't want to move to where the jobs are. They just want to work in one industry doing the same routine over and over from the day they enter the workforce to the day they retire.
Hillary has a job training program that'd improve their skill and let them land higher wage new tech jobs, but they opt for the guy who promised to keep dying industry with declining pay and high unemployment.
That's laziness (and dumbness).
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If it weren't for the Electoral College, right now our country would be enjoying true prosperity, with far fewer underemployed and underpaid workers. But it's quite possible that the candidates in 2016 will be the same ones next time and a re-do of that terrible mistake may take place.
Most Americans are not lazy and most Americans don't have a problem with lawful and natural changes in demographics by limited legal immigration. So stop with the race card already!
The problem today is that there are far too many burger joints, gas stations, etc. low paying jobs on very corner. It's all about greed with no thought of creating overcrowded conditions such as our neighborhoods, healthcare facilities, roads and schools by massive immigration both legal and illegal which also taxes our natural and social resources. So that creates the need for low paying "immigrants" to fill though jobs. It's not that Americans are lazy at all. We live a high lifestyle in this country and Americans have to make a liveable wage. Those low paying jobs should go to our seniors and our American youth and the less educated, etc. but continuing this massive business growth is creating serious labor problems in our country. We can't keep importing large numbers of "immigrants" to feed corporate greed when it creates so many other problems as I mentioned above.
I do agree we have a problem with corporate greed in this country, but you do realize that there isn’t enough citizens in our country willing to take these jobs. Our country has been progressing in technology, this technology has been creating higher skilled and higher paying jobs that a lot of citizens would rather have. There are still those that don’t have the skills required for these jobs, but not enough to meet the demands of the lower skilled labor market.
I’m not playing the race card, a lot of people seem to be more concerned with demographics, but use the immigrants taking jobs as an excuse. Do you believe that the business growth should slow down so we don’t have to take in as many immigrants? You can stop patronizing these burger joints, gas stations, etc., unless everyone starts doing it that won’t change the fact that they need to hire for these positions. We do need to do something with the affordability and ensuring that these businesses pay a living wage to their employees.
You say those low paying jobs should go to kids, seniors, and the less educated but you also said that Americans aren’t taking them because the pay is too low, so how will that work? I’m guessing you support raising the minimum wage to entice these people to take these jobs. However, I feel like with seniors and kids that would be a very limited group to choose from. Kids really are limited in the hours they can work, if they even have the time or want to work. Seniors shouldn’t have to work unless they want to, we should be taking care of our seniors, they shouldn’t have to get back into the job market to take a low paying service job.
What you need to remember, is that back in the day the Europeans were immigrating to America too - the Germans, the Norwegians, the Italians, the Irish - not just Mexicans and Guatemalans.
And this was keeping the balance, and there were less concerns about immigration than it is today.
But when the first ones stopped immigrating to the US in big numbers ( providing the farm and mines/factory labor,) while the second group keeps on arriving - yes, this creates a lot of resistance in terms of "demographics."
And it's understandable I would think...
I’m glad you admitted this. This is truly about demographics with a lot of people who are against immigration rather than economic angst. No need to say anymore, the earlier immigrants were Europeans, so it didn’t disrupt the “balance”. There wasn’t less concerns about immigration back then. Read about all of the resistance to immigration back then and the restrictive legislation that came from that resistance. Europeans have no wider interest in immigrating to the US anymore.
Exactly, this country’s growth has always been dependent on immigrant labor. Their fathers and grandfathers were likely either immigrants or not that many generations removed from the first generation immigrants. It is true that a lot of Americans won’t take the jobs, because they are either lazy or have other options for work that are more favorable to them. It is ridiculous to think all of these jobs would be filled without immigration, it is not living in the real world. Oftentimes these anti-immigrant arguments aren’t from a sound economic perspective and are often argued for the purpose of maintaining “demographics”.
You're the one not living in the real world.
Just who do you think did those jobs before we got flooded with illegals? Americans did them---and are still doing it. Travel to areas in the Heartland that haven't been infested with illegals. You will see Americans doing all those jobs. Also, in the Heartland HS students on their summer break will work on the farms.
Why do you want to encourage hyper immigration? Do you think we have unlimited potable water and buildable land? Our infrastructure is crumbling and in many communities they have to decide if money should go to maintaining existing infrastructure or adding to it.
And what's wrong with "maintaining demographics"? How does it help to allow in people who come from countries that are hostile to the US? Or people whose culture is incompatible to ours?
They don't want to learn new skill. They don't want to move to where the jobs are. They just want to work in one industry doing the same routine over and over from the day they enter the workforce to the day they retire.
Hillary has a job training program that'd improve their skill and let them land higher wage new tech jobs, but they opt for the guy who promised to keep dying industry with declining pay and high unemployment.
That's laziness (and dumbness).
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That is an ignorant comment.
The jobs that are open refuse to hire fully skilled people, senior engineers. They want to pay sub market rate. Many companies refuse to offer as high a salary as I am getting now, but few do. Those who refuse, they claim I am overpaid in my current job. BS. Many don't even respond to job applications by senior engineers, knowing well how much they make currently, very few respond and tell they want cheaper. The market driving the price up, so companies are rigging the market (with open borders lobbying and student loan forgiveness) instead of playing along. I know many people who are fully qualified, but never called for an interview after applying for many corporate jobs. The same companies complain that they cannot find skilled workers. In reality, they cannot find skilled workers for half price. In Silicon Valley, most companies have revenue average $900k/employee, on the east coast about $250k/employee. They could pay higher salaries, but the wall street investors would not like it.
The CEOs want to reduce labor cost to make the profit calculation (profit = revenue minus cost) look good on paper, to influence investors that drives up the stock price. Many hire only fresh grads or H1Bs, for cost reasons, while it takes few years for the product delivery or quality decline to show up on sales numbers. By then they sold their stocks and stuffed their bank accounts, and don't care for the company.
That is an ignorant comment.
The jobs that are open refuse to hire fully skilled people, senior engineers. They want to pay sub market rate. Many companies refuse to offer as high a salary as I am getting now, but few do. Those who refuse, they claim I am overpaid in my current job. BS. Many don't even respond to job applications by senior engineers, knowing well how much they make currently, very few respond and tell they want cheaper. The market driving the price up, so companies are rigging the market (with open borders lobbying and student loan forgiveness) instead of playing along. I know many people who are fully qualified, but never called for an interview after applying for many corporate jobs. The same companies complain that they cannot find skilled workers. In reality, they cannot find skilled workers for half price. In Silicon Valley, most companies have revenue average $900k/employee, on the east coast about $250k/employee. They could pay higher salaries, but the wall street investors would not like it.
The CEOs want to reduce labor cost to make the profit calculation (profit = revenue minus cost) look good on paper, to influence investors that drives up the stock price. Many hire only fresh grads or H1Bs, for cost reasons, while it takes few years for the product delivery or quality decline to show up on sales numbers. By then they sold their stocks and stuffed their bank accounts, and don't care for the company.
Just admit you aren’t worth the premium companies must pay over a fresh college grad.
Immigration. Hot button issue, everyone blames immigrations for all of our problems. If only we stopped immigration, we would have a beautiful country full of Americans prospering. Except, ah, you kind of have that now. Americans continue to get richer and have a high quality of life seemingly yearly. Enjoying some of the best infrastructure in the world, and having far more options than easily 80% of the world. Even the poorest Americans are still amongst the 70% richest in the world. Yet when you come to online forums, it’s doom and gloom. America is dying, we’re poor, we’re going broke. My favorite is “the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer”. Except we don’t have any poor in America, and the rich are just sustaining wealth.
See the reality is there are jobs being created daily. All over the country. So many new and innovative people are leaving their corporate jobs and starting businesses. Many times to great success. It has even forced the big corporate jobs to start stepping up its game. And we are seeing a plethora of companies innovating and trying new things. And we’re seeing so much wealth being generated. There is only one problem. No workers. We can’t find people to actually work these jobs. Job requirements remain un-filled for month on end. Sometimes it can take 5 to 8 months to fill a position.
Yet there are no job. The reality is this, there are jobs. But Americans don’t want to take them, because they are lazy. So companies hands have been forced. They’ve had to augment their staff with Visa sponsorships, because they literally can’t even have a team without them. And this is no benefit to the company. Visa sponsorships is messy business, requiring a ton of paperwork for the worker, and the volatility that they can just be randomly sent back to their home country. Trust me, large corporations would love to hire Americans. But the reality is, Americans don’t even apply for these jobs most of the time.
So those of us in these jobs are sitting here working 14 hours days to hit deadlines. Because we are all working to try to hit company goals and targets. As the market is moving fast. So where are all of the Americans?
Well they’re begging the government to keep protect their factory jobs. Jobs that have no business even existing anymore. They don’t want to leave their home town, so they want the government to protect the underperforming and nearly dead factory or coal mine in the town. So they don’t have to learn anything new, or travel, or get out of their comfort zone. It’s all about being comfortable. And you can’t be rich by being comfortable.
So next time you want to blame someone, look in the mirror. Immigration is the reason these companies can do anything at all.
"Immigration. Hot button issue, everyone blames immigrations for all of our problems."
Some DON'T know the difference between "imagination" and "ILLEGAL" immigration.
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