Labor Unions vs Standing on your own (NAFTA, military, dollars)

[J746NEW]

Originally Posted by PedroMartinez

No.

Any problem with people CHOOSING not to join a union?

They can look elsewhere.
A company has a policy where no guns are allowed on the premises, what should I do?

[PedroMartinez]

Originally Posted by J746NEW

Corporatism is a bastardization of Capitalism.
I look forward to its death.

It's death?

Are you familiar with Amazon?

[PedroMartinez]

Originally Posted by J746NEW

They can look elsewhere.
A company has a policy where no guns are allowed on the premises, what should I do?

That's the company's choice.

Are you ok with a company that has a union hiring people who don't want to join that union?

If a company wants to only use union people, that's fine with me, but it should be the company's choice? Do you agree?

[gmagoo]

Originally Posted by PedroMartinez

No.

Any problem with people CHOOSING not to join a union?

It depends on whether they expect the same wages and benefits negotiated by the dues paying members.

[PedroMartinez]

Originally Posted by gmagoo

It depends on whether they expect the same wages and benefits negotiated by the dues paying members.

I guess you believe 100% of everything your union tells you and never question it.

When I negotiated myself an extra week of vacation and more pay, it only applied to me and not any other person in the company.

Unions could negotiate for just their members and exclude non-union members from any concessions.

Well, I suppose it could be that union leadership is so incredibly stupid, that might not have occurred to them.

[J746NEW]

Originally Posted by PedroMartinez

That's the company's choice.

Are you ok with a company that has a union hiring people who don't want to join that union?

If a company wants to only use union people, that's fine with me, but it should be the company's choice? Do you agree?

If unions are the hiring agents and only hiring members agreed to be part of the union, then that sounds like a personal company issue they need to negotiate with the unions. Not with the state.

[beach43ofus]

Originally Posted by J746NEW

I'd go along with this.
Just nullify the marriage between business and government.

Ottomobeale's short list would be a huge step forward in doing so.

[J746NEW]

Originally Posted by PedroMartinez

I guess you believe 100% of everything your union tells you and never question it.

When I negotiated myself an extra week of vacation and more pay, it only applied to me and not any other person in the company.

Unions could negotiate for just their members and exclude non-union members from any concessions.

Well, I suppose it could be that union leadership is so incredibly stupid, that might not have occurred to them.

The point is, in the free market, owners and labor need to work out their differences and not run to the government to favor them which is what right to work states does.

[PedroMartinez]

Originally Posted by J746NEW

If unions are the hiring agents and only hiring members agreed to be part of the union, then that sounds like a personal company issue they need to negotiate with the unions. Not with the state.

Only if the company chooses to allow them to hire.

Both the company and the worker should have the choice.

Why do you hate choice?

[PedroMartinez]

Originally Posted by J746NEW

The point is, in the free market, owners and labor need to work out their differences and not run to the government to favor them which is what right to work states does.

So it should be up to the employer first, correct?