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Old 02-01-2020, 12:45 PM
 
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You've blanket stereotyped all unions as corrupt and bad. That's simply not true.

With unions as with politics, sports, war, pretty much any human endeavor, unity brings strength.

Unions provide Unity. The only thing stopping corporations from sticking the workers for the benefit of the shareholders.
There was a time when most Americans did not have stocks on Wall Street but only pension funds are nothing at all. Being for or against unions had no impact on them.

Even the 40% of Americans that have stocks, is in low values and not enough to retire on from research that has been done.

The most richest Americans at the .5% level made their wealth from the stock market, they also account for the majority of wealth held in the stock market.

The brightest idea they ever had was hitching a chunk of American Workers to the stock market so that they would go against labor, because the more labor makes, the less profits there are to go to wall street.
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Old 02-01-2020, 12:45 PM
 
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I see many say that people should stand alone and not organize with other laborers when it comes to looking out for their best interests.

So how come business organizations as well as lobbyists that represent hundreds of companies not getting any flack. Shouldnt business stand alone against politicians and the public rather than organize for their interests?

How come business do not stand alone when they go up against politicians when they want something from Washington DC? Cant they stand alone? Are they wusses?

Also lobbying group and business organizations have been on the increase for years while labor groups have been dying off.

Also business groups shell out billions for their interests while labor is shelling out millions and less as the years go by.

It is pretty obvious big business is intentionally killing off unions with their organizations.
If you lack value, it makes sense to join a union.

Since I've always offered a valued service, why would I?
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Old 02-01-2020, 12:47 PM
 
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There was a time when most Americans did not have stocks on Wall Street but only pension funds are nothing at all. Being for or against unions had no impact on them.

Even the 40% of Americans that have stocks, is in low values and not enough to retire on from research that has been done.

The most richest Americans at the .5% level made their wealth from the stock market, they also account for the majority of wealth held in the stock market.

The brightest idea they ever had was hitching a chunk of American Workers to the stock market so that they would go against labor, because the more labor makes, the less profits there are to go to wall street.
Why can't you save for your own retirement?

Do you need someone to tell you to brush your teeth and to cut your meat?
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Old 02-01-2020, 12:49 PM
 
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This was my big complaint with Obama when he had the trifecta (House, Sen, WH) from 2009-2011. They did not lift a finger to do any labor reform. Nothing. Union membership in the private sector is now down to 6%.


All the Democrats care about is the public sector unions, which is really a form of scam. Private sector and public sector unions are two entirely different beasts. It's not much of a topic of discussion in the 2020 primaries, either.
Not true. Upon taking office the Obama administration was handed a financial situation so bleak that it threatened to bring down the entire world economy. Saving the economy was his first priority, while republicans blocked every move he made, if they could.
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Old 02-01-2020, 12:50 PM
 
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If you lack value, it makes sense to join a union.

Since I've always offered a valued service, why would I?
On whose judgment?
Who judges the value and on what context?

A single person or an organization of like minded people?
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Old 02-01-2020, 12:50 PM
 
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Why can't you save for your own retirement?

Do you need someone to tell you to brush your teeth and to cut your meat?
Retirement savings are not in the cards for a good chunk of labor paid just enough to keep working. Do not play stupid rightwing crap.
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Old 02-01-2020, 12:53 PM
 
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Why can't you save for your own retirement?

Do you need someone to tell you to brush your teeth and to cut your meat?
Responsibility is a two way street.
How come Big Business need Organizations and Lobbyists to go up against the government?

How come an individual business does not do it on its own?

Why?

Because there is $$$power$$$ and money in numbers.

How come we do not send out one man to fight our wars instead of a brigade, because there is power in numbers.
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Old 02-01-2020, 12:55 PM
 
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Not true. Upon taking office the Obama administration was handed a financial situation so bleak that it threatened to bring down the entire world economy. Saving the economy was his first priority, while republicans blocked every move he made, if they could.
Obama should have let it collapse, but personally, I believe, he never had the power to begin with to allow that to happen. Just like Trump.

There are so many Bankers and high level Corporate people in the government that they would assassinate anyone that would threaten their dominance.
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Old 02-01-2020, 12:57 PM
 
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We already had standing on your own.

This was when the average life span in the UK of a factory worker was 38. This was child labor and 12+ hour days 6 days per week....and a life of abject poverty whether you were working or not.

I'm not big on Unions "American Style" - but if our Unions can morph more into the German or other models (good for workers, management, the country, the product, etc.), then it would truly Make America Great Again.

Hint: Capitalism doesn't care one iota if a worker contracts cancer and dies poor. There are 10's of millions of such stories and instances and you and I will never hear about them.
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Old 02-01-2020, 12:58 PM
 
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On whose judgment?
Who judges the value and on what context?

A single person or an organization of like minded people?
If value wasn't judged, engineers would be offered minimum wage just like the fry guy.

Since engineers have much greater value than the fry guy, they make substantially more.
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