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The conspiracy theories and lies continue. Not a surprise. Let's see who gets locked up, impeached, disbarred or indicted in Trump's circle this time. But Biden...But Clinton...But Obama....are all still exonerated. Trump is impeached.
LOL, odd that I'd have to point this out to you but Trump is exonerated too...
It’s based on contemporaneous accounts reported by a dozen international news agencies at the time. It’s based on documents - signed by Republican Senators - pushing for Shokin’s during in furtherance of US foreign policy. It’s furthered by sworn testimony from career diplomats confirming that Shokin was corrupt. It’s furthered by formal statements issued by the IMF and EU at the time pressing for his removal. It’s furthered by people who were working under Shokin who resigned because Shokin was actively undermining anti-corruption efforts.
Given the weight of the evidence to the contrary, the idea that Biden has Shokin fired to further his son’s personal interests is an absurdity that only the most weak minded of gullible fools could possibly buy into. There is, quite literally, no evidence that Biden was doing anything but advancing US foreign policy at the behest and direction of the State Department. Relying on empty innuendo will not change that fact.
Perfect example of the deflection story the Dems keep running with. Sure-the previous administration finds that the previous administration did nothing wrong. Supported by "career diplomats" promoted at the hands of the previous administration. Ignore the facts. Ignore the evidence. Ignore the fact that Shokin was replaced with someone that had already done prison time for corruption and had no law degree. Someone that did nothing to actually route out corruption or bring Burisma leadership to justice.
If you really believe that-I have a bridge for sale. It's a really nice bridge.
Once Joe blackmailed Ukraine into firing prosecutor, what happened to Barisma investigation?
The Burisma investigation is today, in the exact same place it was when Shokin was removed - an open, but "dormant" case.
If anyone bothered to educate themselves on the facts, instead of simply swallowing the talking points they prefer, they wouldn't need to ask a question this ignorant.
The conspiracy theories and lies continue. Not a surprise. Let's see who gets locked up, impeached, disbarred or indicted in Trump's circle this time. But Biden...But Clinton...But Obama....are all still exonerated. Trump is impeached.
And the "whataboutisms" and deflections continue....
The Burisma investigation is today, in the exact same place it was when Shokin was removed - an open, but "dormant" case.
If anyone bothered to educate themselves on the facts, instead of simply swallowing the talking points they prefer, they wouldn't need to ask a question this ignorant.
So you're agreeing with what I pointed out-that the investigator that replaced Shokin was at the least as corrupt, or unwilling to do anything about corruption, as Shokin was accused of being? The one Joe referred to as "really solid"?
It’s based on contemporaneous accounts reported by a dozen international news agencies at the time. It’s based on documents - signed by Republican Senators - pushing for Shokin’s during in furtherance of US foreign policy. It’s furthered by sworn testimony from career diplomats confirming that Shokin was corrupt. It’s furthered by formal statements issued by the IMF and EU at the time pressing for his removal. It’s furthered by people who were working under Shokin who resigned because Shokin was actively undermining anti-corruption efforts.
Given the weight of the evidence to the contrary, the idea that Biden has Shokin fired to further his son’s personal interests is an absurdity that only the most weak minded of gullible fools could possibly buy into. There is, quite literally, no evidence that Biden was doing anything but advancing US foreign policy at the behest and direction of the State Department. Relying on empty innuendo will not change that fact.
Ah, so like I thought. Based on hearsay evidence and not the result of an investigation by Congress. This is eerily similar to the impeachment hoax. Democrats claimed that President Trump sought an investigation into Biden because he was his political opponent, ignoring the alternative legitimate reason to seek an investigation (namely, Biden boasting on video of threatening to withhold 1 billion in aid to the Ukraine--you know, in contravention if the law--if the prosecutor who happened to be investigating his son's employer was fired.) The double standard would be laughable if it wasn't so dangerous.
With the Trump impeachment, leftists demanded an inquiry and proceeded to impeach despite not having any actual evidence of intent to support their belief of why they thought Trump did what he did. Perhaps Biden is innocent, but it's ridiculous to say that the corruption allegations are discredited and unfounded when we haven't conducted an independent investigation given the appearance if impropriety. Again, this is all the more alarming given the House Democrats we have today who claim to be concerned about investigating even the appearance of wrongdoing.
So you're agreeing with what I pointed out-that the investigator that replaced Shokin was at the least as corrupt, or unwilling to do anything about corruption, as Shokin was accused of being? The one Joe referred to as "really solid"?
I don't really know much about the Prosecutor General that replaced Shokin and it really doesn't matter. I commented on the question asked in your thread title. Nothing changed in the Burisma investigation after Shokin was removed.
Ah, so like I thought. Based on hearsay evidence and not the result of an investigation by Congress. This is eerily similar to the impeachment hoax. Democrats claimed that President Trump sought an investigation into Biden because he was his political opponent, ignoring the alternative legitimate reason to seek an investigation (namely, Biden boasting on video of threatening to withhold 1 billion in aid to the Ukraine--you know, in contravention if the law--if the prosecutor who happened to be investigating his son's employer was fired.) The double standard would be laughable if it wasn't so dangerous.
With the Trump impeachment, leftists demanded an inquiry and proceeded to impeach despite not having any actual evidence of intent to support their belief of why they thought Trump did what he did. Perhaps Biden is innocent, but it's ridiculous to say that the corruption allegations are discredited and unfounded when we haven't conducted an independent investigation given the appearance if impropriety. Again, this is all the more alarming given the House Democrats we have today who claim to be concerned about investigating even the appearance of wrongdoing.
Congress was free to investigate this if they thought there was actual wrongdoing. Republicans held both Houses of Congress in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, and some of 2019 yet - despite a history of being happy to investigate things based on even the most flimsy of evidence - chose not to investigate anything.
Heck, it would have been the easiest thing in the world for Trump to investigate whether Biden was acting independently of the State Department and in his own personal interests. All he would need to do is pick up the phone and ask Mike Pompeo over at the Department of State whether formal US policy was to have Shokin removed (as several Republican Senators put in their letter at the time) and whether Biden had been sent to Ukraine to further that policy. If the answer was "yes" then that would be the end of it. If the answer was "no" then it would be easy as pie to phone up Barr over at the DoJ and ask him to look into Biden acting outside of his remit. He did neither (or perhaps he did and came up empty-handed).
This has no parallels to the Ukraine issue with Trump. Trump secretly withholding aid was in direct contravention to stated US policy, which was to provide that aid to support Ukraine against Russia, and did so in order to obtain an announcement that could then be used to attack a political opponent on the campaign trail (e.g., akin to "lock her up"). Biden was sent to Ukraine in furtherance of the formal, stated US policy to remove Shokin and did so.
Congress was free to investigate this if they thought there was actual wrongdoing. Republicans held both Houses of Congress in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, and most of 2019 yet - despite a history of being happy to investigate things based on even the most flimsy of evidence - chose not to investigate anything.
Heck, it would have been the easiest thing in the world for Trump to investigate whether Biden was acting independently of the State Department and in his own personal interests. All he would need to do is pick up the phone and ask Mike Pompeo over at the Department of State whether formal US policy was to have Shokin removed (as several Republican Senators put in their letter at the time) and whether Biden had been sent to Ukraine to further that policy. If the answer was "yes" then that would be the end of it. If the answer was "no" then it would be easy as pie to phone up Barr over at the DoJ and ask him to look into Biden acting outside of his remit.
This has no parallels to the Ukraine issue with Trump. Trump withholding aid was in direct contravention to stated US policy, which was to provide that aid to support Ukraine against Russia, and did so in order to obtain an announcement that could then be used to attack a political opponent. Biden was sent to Ukraine in furtherance of the formal, stated US policy to remove Shokin and did so.
Congressional Republicans behaved like adults. But saying that Reoublicans didnt investigate isnt an excuse for Democrats who hold Congress now to not investigate, especially given the similarities between this and the Trump impeachment claims. And especially given the itch for Democrats to investigate Trumps for alleged wrongdoings long before he came into office (that Republicans didnt investigate Trump for those offenses when they held power certainly didnt stop Dems from investigating once they took power in that case). I bring up these points to call out Dem hypocrisy mainly. I'm not really interested in an investigation, though I do push back on claims that the allegations have been proven false " or otherwise discredited. But I'm also not in favor of the impeachment vote based in the evidence. And Trump, as the president, is in charge of US foreign policy, so if he wanted to look into what he saw as possible corruption, that is the US foreign policy. That career diplomats dont like that doesnt change a thing.
So you're agreeing with what I pointed out-that the investigator that replaced Shokin was at the least as corrupt, or unwilling to do anything about corruption, as Shokin was accused of being? The one Joe referred to as "really solid"?
At some point, you’re gonna hafta swallow the fact that you’re picking bad fruit from the nothingburger tree. There’s just nothing there. You’re not gonna have your bitter feelings salved by going after Biden just like Trump left you all out to dry on Hillary... who his Justice Department was gonna get the goods on and ultimately lock up. Or how he was gonna investigate Obama’s or Susan Rice’s supposed malfeasance on Benghazi or some other conjured up scandal...no fruition reached on that either.
Your boy is all hot air. I’m telling you this so that you can come back to my post and ridicule me if I’m wrong: this Biden thing is a waste of your time. Nothing is gonna come out of it, and you’ll be yellow in the face from all the egg on it. You should find a better tree to bark up to.
Trump can’t wash away his impeachment stain by using Biden as his figurative soap and scrub brush. The best bet for you Republicans is to tell Trump to take responsibility for his subterfuge in this matter and move on. All this vengeance he’s trying to wreak is just gonna get him into further trouble, and he doesn’t need or want that. He can barely think straight when he’s NOT on the warpath. When he is, he’s a danger to himself politically. He’s just gotta take this L and sleep on it. Clinton did...Trump can too.
But the Bidens aren’t going to jail, so perish the thought.
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--if the prosecutor who happened to be investigating his son's employer was fired.) The double standard would be laughable if it wasn't so dangerous. 
