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Shokin wasn't Burisma's nemesis either. If anything, he was the nemesis of anti-corruption efforts, which explains why anti-corruption NGOs like the World Bank and IMF wanted him turfed out and why they tried to get the EU and US to help.
They won't little things like facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.
Without even getting into rebutting your fast-and-loose grasp on the facts, none of what you wrote changes that Biden was acting at the direction of the State Department and promoting formal US policy when he pushed to remove Shokin and, thus, was not acting corruptly in his own self-interest.
You don't find what you just said to be a little contrived when at the same time you and people like you are criticizing Trump for wanting to investigate possible corruption during Obama's administration because he might benefit from starting an investigation involving someone who might be an opponent in the upcoming election?
Republicans didn't investigate in 2015, 2016, 2017, or 2018.
Please stop trying to blame this on the democrats.
I am quite certain that democrats will be happy to continue the Ukraine investigation as they uncover more and more of Trump's corruption.
Maybe by that time Bolton's book will be out.
Joe did not commit his brag on video until 2018. The "in your face" admission to possible corruption or conflict of interest came well after trump was elected.
If it is OK to impeach Trump, because "we can't take the chance for him to win re-election in 2020", then why is it not acceptable to investigate admitted conflict of interest in a possible candidate for the same election?
Joe did not commit his brag on video until 2018. The "in your face" admission to possible corruption or conflict of interest came well after trump was elected.
Everyone. Knew. It. Happened. At. The. Time. Everyone. Including all the Republicans in Congress.
It was covered, extensively, by domestic and international news sources.
The "Gosh, we just found out about it." shtick is DOA. Maybe you just became aware of it, but that's not at all the same thing.
Everyone. Knew. It. Happened. At. The. Time. Everyone. Including all the Republicans in Congress.
It was covered, extensively, by domestic and international news sources.
The "Gosh, we just found out about it." shtick is DOA. Maybe you just became aware of it, but that's not at all the same thing.
Your reply may have come prior to my edit as follows:
"If it is OK to impeach Trump, because "we can't take the chance for him to win re-election in 2020", then why is it not acceptable to investigate admitted conflict of interest in a possible candidate for the same election?"
Before Joe declared as a candidate, who cared? Hunter was no longer on the Burisma board, and Joe was not in a position to screw up the country anymore. He decided to put himself in a position to do more damage, so why is it not a good idea to show the voting public what he had done previously? You want to turn up everything possible that might be negative about Trump. Turnabout is FairPlay.
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You don't find what you just said to be a little contrived when at the same time you and people like you are criticizing Trump for wanting to investigate possible corruption during Obama's administration because he might benefit from starting an investigation involving someone who might be an opponent in the upcoming election?
Pelosers, all of you.
No. If Biden was sent by the State Department and instructed to push to oust Shokin, his very-public efforts to oust Shokin could not have been corrupt. Full stop.
What Trump did was secretly suspend aid in direct contravention to (and undermining) US policy in a manner the GAO has already determined to be illegal. You don't even need to go any further than that (e.g., Trump's motive) to see where these two situations diverge.
Your replay may have come prior to my edit as follows:
"If it is OK to impeach Trump, because "we can't take the chance for him to win re-election in 2020", then why is it not acceptable to investigate admitted conflict of interest in a possible candidate for the same election?"
Before Joe declared as a candidate, who cared? Hunter was no longer on the Burisma board, and Joe was not in a position to screw up the country anymore. He decided to put himself in a position to do more damage, so why is it not a good idea to show the voting public what he had done previously? You want to turn up everything possible that might be negative about Trump. Turnabout is FairPlay.
Unintentionally nailed it. Correct - no one cared before Joe was a candidate. That is precisely the issue. Precisely. Well done.
No. If Biden was sent by the State Department and instructed to push to oust Shokin, his very-public efforts to oust Shokin could not have been corrupt. Full stop.
What Trump did was secretly suspend aid in direct contravention to (and undermining) US policy in a manner the GAO has already determined to be illegal. You don't even need to go any further than that (e.g., Trump's motive) to see where these two situations diverge.
Joe did not commit his brag on video until 2018. The "in your face" admission to possible corruption or conflict of interest came well after trump was elected.
If it is OK to impeach Trump, because "we can't take the chance for him to win re-election in 2020", then why is it not acceptable to investigate admitted conflict of interest in a possible candidate for the same election?
Kind of interesting that all those that said Joe only blackmailed Ukrainian leadership to put in someone that was NOT corrupt-and that would actually crack down on corruption. Here is the guy they put in charge due to Joe's (and the Obama admins) pressure:
THIS was the guy that Quid-Pro-Joe described as "really solid" when he blackmailed Ukraine to fire Shokin. Funny how all those Dems that say Joe did nothing wrong and just wanted Shokin replaced with someone "stronger"....deflect and ignore from any actual discussion of his replacement. Oh-no one from Barisma is in prison over the corrupt acts (that I have been able to find)....and yes, even GB unfroze Barisma's assets once Biden got the investigation effectively shut down. One has to wonder just how deep the ties to Ukraine go-and besides Biden, just who else in Western governments were profiting from them.
It seems clear that we need the equivalent of the "Mueller Investigation" to route out the corruption that occurred under the Obama administration and bring the guilty to justice. An investigation staffed with a team of investigators that have personal animosity to the previous administration. That had an "insurance policy". We need to ensure that they have unlimited subpoena authority to go after Biden's friends and associates and the power to put them behind bars. Oh, and of course give them the ability to wire tap and spy on his presidential campaign. One more thing-an unlimited budget and 3 years to try to dig up something...anything...to destroy the man, and others that the investigation leads to.
One other question-if memory serves me, some of those caught by the Mueller investigation were charged with "failure to register as a foreign agent". So, I have to ask-did Hunter Biden do so? Did Joe?
All this moaning and groaning doesn't amount to a hill of beans. Burisma may have been a corrupt company, Zlochevsky may have hired Biden for his name, to give his company some credibility, but at the end of the day, WHAT corrupt acts did Biden supposedly commit??? Just sitting on the board collecting a paycheck isn't criminal. What acts are you accusing Biden of?
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