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Old 02-07-2020, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Congress was free to investigate this if they thought there was actual wrongdoing. Republicans held both Houses of Congress in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, and some of 2019 yet - despite a history of being happy to investigate things based on even the most flimsy of evidence - chose not to investigate anything.

Heck, it would have been the easiest thing in the world for Trump to investigate whether Biden was acting independently of the State Department and in his own personal interests. All he would need to do is pick up the phone and ask Mike Pompeo over at the Department of State whether formal US policy was to have Shokin removed (as several Republican Senators put in their letter at the time) and whether Biden had been sent to Ukraine to further that policy. If the answer was "yes" then that would be the end of it. If the answer was "no" then it would be easy as pie to phone up Barr over at the DoJ and ask him to look into Biden acting outside of his remit. He did neither (or perhaps he did and came up empty-handed).

This has no parallels to the Ukraine issue with Trump. Trump secretly withholding aid was in direct contravention to stated US policy, which was to provide that aid to support Ukraine against Russia, and did so in order to obtain an announcement that could then be used to attack a political opponent on the campaign trail (e.g., akin to "lock her up"). Biden was sent to Ukraine in furtherance of the formal, stated US policy to remove Shokin and did so.

Great, we'll see how well that story holds up after everyone is sworn in.

FTR, that it was the stated policy of the Obama Administration to fire the prosecutor investigating Burisma doesn't really help your case.
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Old 02-07-2020, 01:29 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Great, we'll see how well that story holds up after everyone is sworn in.

FTR, that it was the stated policy of the Obama Administration to fire the prosecutor investigating Burisma doesn't really help your case.
Sure it does. It cannot be Biden's corruption when he doesn't have the authority to make the call.
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Old 02-07-2020, 01:30 PM
 
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You are telling us that Democrats are somehow at fault for not investigating Joe Biden going to Ukraine and doing the job that everyone involved agrees he was sent there to do by the State Department. Your whole argument is asinine.

As I have pointed out a number of times, it was well covered in international media at the time that it was official US policy to push to remove Shokin and that policy had been formed as part of an international, collaborative anti-corruption effort with the EU, IMF, and World Bank, all of whom wanted Shokin ousted because he was corrupt and none of whom knew (much less cared) about Hunter Biden's measly job. Heck, Republican Senators were pushing for Shokin's removal. Is it your claim that the Republican Senators were "in" on some wild far-reaching secret international conspiracy to help keep Hunter Biden employed?

Like I said, the whole premise that Biden was furthering his personal interests in Ukraine is absurd and posting empty lies about Joe Biden will not vindicate Trump. It will, however, continue to undermine your credibility.

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Old 02-07-2020, 01:30 PM
 
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What bothers me most about the Bidens is that we will probably never find a smoking gun. No one will admit to a hands-off-Burisma policy after Hunter Biden got his position. And since Hunter had no experience to get his job, he probably never did anything in his position, so he is untouchable. The only person who did anything was Joe, when he bragged about getting his son's employer's nemesis fired from his prosecutor's job.

But we all know what it is about and only Democrat supporters will be lying about that obvious truth. I can't believe there are so many Democrats that think Joe Biden is the best person to put up against Trump. I wish I could give them more credit for intelligence.
If there’s a smoking gun, it’s easily findable. So stop making excuses.
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Old 02-07-2020, 01:34 PM
 
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Sure it does. It cannot be Biden's corruption when he doesn't have the authority to make the call.
In that case, Biden would be in violation of the Logan Act.
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Old 02-07-2020, 01:37 PM
 
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Not sure if it was posted already but looks like Faux News exposes Trump and their own Faux News anchors Hannity and Carlson. Read more at the link.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...-sean-hannity/
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September 26, 2019: John Solomon, Toensing, and diGenova all appear on Hannity again to discuss Shokin’s affidavit, filed at the request of Firtash’s attorneys. At no time during the program does Hannity, Toensing, and diGenova mention who requested the statement nor do they discuss that they are Firtash’s attorneys. Solomon also doesn’t mention that he shares attorneys with Firtash. diGenova says “we’ve known from the very beginning that Mr. Shokin was not a corrupt prosecutor.†(856) Later that night, President Trump tweets a clip of diGenova from Hannity. (857)
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In an entry for Oct. 9, 2019, the Brain Room document notes that Andriy Derkach, a member of the Ukrainian parliament, had made a specific allegation regarding corruption by former vice president Joe Biden. The Kyiv Post, notes the Brain Room report, called the charge “dubious.†“Hours later, Giuliani appeared on Sean Hannity’s show on Fox News and parroted Derkach’s claim. (897).â€
https://twitter.com/marcusdipaola/st...33935183843335
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Old 02-07-2020, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Maine
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If the prosecutor was actually conducting an investigation, and not lining his pockets using his office (which is what the international community thought Shokin was doing).

Joe Biden did what he was told to do. There's no corruption there.

Hunter Biden sat on a board of a company headed by a man who was very corrupt, but there is nothing to indicate that Hunter was involved with any corruption himself.

Again, the fact that Hunter Biden joined this board, and that none of the Vice-President's staff objected, demonstrates, in my opinion, incompetence. And that is the issue, for me.
Joe Biden was the point man on Ukraine, Joe decided what the state departments policy was not the other way around.

The state department did what Joe said.

Hunter was a coke headed, dolt. He was only hired as a convenient pipeline for Burisma money to flow into the Biden family's bank accounts.

There's a lot more to this than we will ever know, of that 1.8 billion I would imagine that a good percentage ended up in the family bank accounts of more than a few politicians from both sides of the isle.
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Old 02-07-2020, 01:47 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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In that case, Biden would be in violation of the Logan Act.
Not even close. That wasn't even a very good try, honestly.
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Old 02-07-2020, 01:49 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Joe Biden was the point man on Ukraine, Joe decided what the state departments policy was not the other way around.

The state department did what Joe said.

Hunter was a coke headed, dolt. He was only hired as a convenient pipeline for Burisma money to flow into the Biden family's bank accounts.

There's a lot more to this than we will ever know, of that 1.8 billion I would imagine that a good percentage ended up in the family bank accounts of more than a few politicians from both sides of the isle.
No, Vice Presidents are not in charge of State, nor do they have to power to order the State Dept around.

What you might imagine about both sides of the aisle is irrelevant.
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Old 02-07-2020, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Sure it does. It cannot be Biden's corruption when he doesn't have the authority to make the call.
It demonstrates what others have been saying-that the corruption in that administration was not limited to low-level flunkies. Obama was up to his neck in it
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