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The American black population is 12 percent. That 12 percent wont do much damage on national elections, however can bring change locally or in states where black American is the largest demographic. Blacks putting thier votes for 3rd party on national stage wont do much unless everyone regardles of race supports a 3rd party.
If Blacks are only 12 percent of the population, why are there conservatives right here on city-data getting obsessive in regards to who Blacks vote for?
If you think a 3rd party won't work, then what will? I have no reason to put my vote to Trump or much of the GOP at this point.
So I've got your attention with the title of the thread. Good. This is something to think about. This was the party we gravitated to towards the past, until the 1960s. Perhaps we could fix what was broken in this party which resulted in the massive flee.
This could also apply to registering for other mainstream parties.
If we got more of us flooding OTHER parties we could be of more influence at some point. I think the focus should be about way more than simply "having a seat at the table." I'd like to see more of us running for political positions in both parties. Specifically more CENTER left and CENTER right. I don't think that either extreme side is a good thing. The far left and far right are actually pretty similar if you think about it. They both play the race card, they both use identify politics, they both lack empathy for those who disagree at all with them. Both extremes lack any compassion for those who they deem not to be up to their standards.
Changing the climate of both of the mainstream parties would actually be of a great advantage to us in the sense that we could see that we are not at the bottom of the list. The influence could start at the local government and work it's way up to the federal level.
I'm not telling anyone to just go run and register with any particular party, however this is something to think about and would make for an interesting dialogue.
What do you think? Should we be focused on changing the climate of each party and ideology or focus on forming separate political parties that mimic the current ones? Should we just put all of our energy into a third party or register as Independents? Also, why do you think that moderation/centrism seems to be virtually non-existent today?
In the event that the action suggested above is taken, what issues do you think should be priority?
Joe Biden essentially told the other Democrats at the debate that African Americans were "his", so back off.
Can't imagine supporting a politician who would think that way about me.
Hillary Clinton said she has black women in her pocket. She was right, 96 percent of black women voted for Hillary in 2016. It is hard for black American to support Buttigieg due to him being gay, and to support Bernie. If you are a black academic, you cant support straight white males like Biden and Sanders, like wise for lying Warren on her Native American ancestry. The black vote is scerewed for 2020. My best bet if you are a Black American is to stay in your lane and worry about your local elections like what I'm doing. Your local election is just as important than the presidential election.
What I find picular about the African American is that they are culturally conservative, but still vote Democrat. Many African Americans are just as conservative as white Americans who vote Republican.
Most black people just cannot relate to the typical white conservative despite their shared "culturally conservative" values. This slowly changes as more black people move into higher income brackets and have shared economic interests with white conservatives.
But the typical black working class guy who lives in an all black neighborhood doesn't really feel like he has all that much in common with the upper middle class suburban white person regardless of political party.
Well at this point, the Democratic Party is about as helpful for Black Americans as the Republican Party. The GOP has done nothing for Blacks lately. The Democratic Party has grown less and less helpful for Black Americans. And then we have some conservatives complaining about Blacks support the Democrats and not the GOP. I think Black Americans need to come up with something, if nothing else, to help ourselves.
This is not meant to be contentious but what do you want a politician, any politician, to do for you?
That do not want anyone to know MLK and his Father were Republicans, and the party of Lincoln.
Dr. King WAS a Republican, until he got involved with Kennedy, and later on Barry Goldwater did not support the Civil Rights Act. When Goldwater didn't support the CRA, Dr. King encouraged alot of Blacks not to support Goldwater. Goldwater is where it all ended.
And something else. If Lincoln is how far you have to go in terms of why Blacks should support the GOP, that shows you can't come up with much. The Republican Party is also the party of the Lily White Movement. This was a movement within the GOP to oust Blacks from the party. Herbert Hoover tried to appeal to Whites in the South by breaking his alliances with Blacks. This was in 1928. William Howard Taft also tried to appeal to White southerners by excluding Blacks from any involvement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lily-white_movement
If Blacks are only 12 percent of the population, why are there conservatives right here on city-data getting obsessive in regards to who Blacks vote for?
If you think a 3rd party won't work, then what will? I have no reason to put my vote to Trump or much of the GOP at this point.
Because the margins of winning are usually much smaller than 12%.
If Blacks alone form a major third party, then the 2 party system effectively becomes a guaranteed indefinite 1 party rule (by the GOP).
Most black people just cannot relate to the typical white conservative despite their shared "culturally conservative" values. This slowly changes as more black people move into higher income brackets and have shared economic interests with white conservatives.
But the typical black working class guy who lives in an all black neighborhood doesn't really feel like he has all that much in common with the upper middle class suburban white person regardless of political party.
Whta about white blue collar conservatives? That is a more apt comparison.
What I find picular about the African American is that they are culturally conservative, but still vote Democrat. Many African Americans are just as conservative as white Americans who vote Republican. During the 2020 national election. I expect about 1/4 - 1/3 African American American to vote for Trump at most. While the remainder of black men and 99 percent of African American women will vote Dem.
IIRC, Trump got around 19-20% of the black vote.
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