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I have made this point before. No more than 10 percent of blacks ever vote republican. However what you say is true, many blacks are socially conservative just like us rural whites are. I have also made the point that blacks are no different than whites in the respect that lower taxes and regulations help them in the same way it helps everyone else. The point I am trying to make is there is a huge potential for conservatives among black people. We don’t try because we think they hate us but if we can just convince 20 percent of them to support republicans instead of the 10 percent we get now it would be a huge conservative victory. We are talking about a lot of people and maybe enough to affect elections.
Those blacks who are interested in the SJW causes, banning confederate flags, sympathizing with BLM, and demands for more aid and programs are never going to be changed and to be honest we don’t want them anyway. They are nothing but trouble. The folks we should be interested in are the rest of the black population that works hard and holds the above said socially conservative values. We conservatives need to keep talking to them, I know we can take millions of these voters from the enemy. We can convince them to vote for their own self interest and values. We conservatives need to commit ourselves to this effort, over the long term this effort could save America from socialism.
Everything said above also applies to Hispanics. As religious and socially conservative as they are we should have them in our camp. Trump has really screwed up with them but we must remember how much president Bush (W) had done to win them over. We need to get to work on that effort again as well.
The Republican party can win without the black vote, and it has been proven a few times already. The Republican party only needs a small percentage of black votes to get them over the top to win electoral college. Democrats on the other hand do need the black vote to win, and many did not come out in 2016. I noted that too that plenty of blacks are just like whites in America. In matter of fact, when Hillary made that comment about diplorables in middle America, that statement also resonated with black men too who also feel forgotten by their community, by their women and by their country. I tell black men. When Hilalry said diplorables, she was also talking about you too. HIllary was not talking about me by the way. I'm 1st gen American and mover and shaker. WHen she said diplorable, she was talking about you white men and you black men. And no my family did not come here illegally.
I do agree with the 2nd paragraph about blacks in social justice causes. 1st off. Blacks that are doing social justice activism and blm are a very small but heavily vocal group of people who have say and sway on media, social media platforms like twitter and youtube, publishing, and academia. Blacks in these sectors are very powerful and can force people into changing positions by calling such folks racists, sexists and homophobes. Black Social Justice sector are the ones who pioneered the woke movement metoo movement and cancel culture which have now been hijacked by whtie urban elite liberals. I disagree with black social justice activism due to my world view and experiences being totally different from theirs even though we are both descendents of enslaved Africans who were freeded and different liberties in different parts of the Americas. Also me being a mulatto and light skin can be a reason I suffered different. Who knows. Even though I disagree with blm and black social justice actvisim, their are underlying issues that should be resolved for the American negro and see if their wants, needs and entitlements can help those in need to uplift themselves. I'm like you know what. Lets do reparations, lets give Black Americans reparations, and going foward, you cant blame whitie for anything anymore.
Question. Why does banning confederate flags make one not conservative? If I said banning xmas manager scenes you would say I am liberal. How come?
Because banning confederate flags is part of the social justice crowds list of causes. It is a leftist cause, like most political correctness it deprives individuals of personal liberties like free speech and expression. I find no reason to talk to, discuss or pander to leftist who are essentially enemies of freedom no matter what race they come from. Political correctness is un American and unacceptable.
Question. Why does banning confederate flags make one not conservative? If I said banning xmas manager scenes you would say I am liberal. How come?
Symbols have different meanings for different groups of people. I'm a liberal but banning the Confederate flag is a very touchy subject. I dont think it should be banned, however when white supremacists use it as a slogan than it becomes an issue, but when whites and blacks collectilvy use it for Southern Pride, the flag is no longer a none issue. For SJWS any flag that represents oppression is a flag full of hate. Also note that plenty of activists who partake in social justice activism are not liberal, they are the opposite of liberal which is illiberal. A liberal supposed to defend the small guy from the masses and promote individualism. Today's social justice movement is a collection of LGBT, black, women and indigenous groups who formed an alliance to combat white supreemacy and male pathriacy and other moral maliase that comes out of academia.
The only time blacks are pandered to is during the primaries, after that, no one cares because they overwhelmingly vote Democrat no matter what, and are mostly located in heavy Democrat districts that will go for the Democrats anyway despite the turnout. Election after election it is like this.
Well when you have guys like this getting presidential medals of freedom, can you blame them?
{sigh} another meaningless thread about black voters. Fact is, it doesn't matter. >90% will vote Dim, no matter what. And the other <10% is not enough to matter unless it might happen to be in a very very close swing state election, which is not going to happen.
I've thought about something else. I've wondered the value of telling both parties to take a hike. If Blacks pulled their votes from both parties and put their vote to an independent party or their own party, I wonder if this would get both parties to wake up. I would like to talk abotu D vs R later. However, I figured if neither party got the Black vote, if both parties would have to strategize elsewhere. Or perhaps other people would follow behind that party?
Conservative here!
The reform movement that formed alongside the independent Perot campaign of 1992 gave us Bill Clinton who won with just 43% of the popular vote.
Perot pulled enough votes (18%) from Bush Sr. in 1992 to deny him a second term.
The lesson we learned from that experience is that protest votes can have the opposite effect of what is hoped for.
I wasn't part of the Reform Party movement, but I did participate in the later Tea Party incarnation.
Resolved that we wouldn't make the mistake of 1992 again, the strategy of the Tea Party movement, once organized, was nothing less than the complete takeover of the non-responsive Republican Party.
It took a number of years, but we eventually primaried enough corporate ***** Republicans to establish ourselves as a driving force within the party.
What was open opposition to to our movement by establishment Republicans, eerily similar to the anti-Trump sentiments expressed during the 2016 election season, became the quickest way to end a political career for all Republicans, save those in the purplest of state/districts.
We made progress.
By 2016, three of the most prominent contenders for the Republican presidential nomination, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, were Tea Party aligned.
Today, we have a president that works for the benefit of blue-collar workers and a Republican Party that dare not oppose him.
I think that's about the best we can hope for on this side.
As for a separate party for black people, I can't imagine your experience would be any different than that of the Perot Reform Party in 1992-1996.
Better to run your own movement-backed candidates in the primaries where non-responsive Democrats (maybe even Republicans) hold seats.
You won't always prevail in the primary and your candidates may still lose in the general, but our experience is that the party will learn to respect you over time, and they will do this because they have no other choice.
Understand that you are taking on billionaires that already own the all the candidates.
If the Republican they back doesn't win, they'll be happy do business with the Democrat that defeated him/her, and vice versa.
It's only when that can no longer limit the final choice to two candidates of their own choosing that they will be forced to see things your way.
Yes you stand correct. I remmeber hearing taht Trump got more than 10 percent to 15 percent of the black vote. You stand correct. Voter participation did drop. I'm no Trump fan but I expect Trump to recieve close to 1/4 black male vote this time aroud, that is roughly 1.5 percent of the U.S population, thats nothing but a drop in the bucket.
{sigh} another meaningless thread about black voters. Fact is, it doesn't matter. >90% will vote Dim, no matter what. And the other <10% is not enough to matter unless it might happen to be in a very very close swing state election, which is not going to happen.
A thread started by a black person (myself) that isn’t so much about voting as it is gaining INFLUENCE in the political world.
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