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Old 02-10-2020, 07:48 AM
 
Location: South of Heaven
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Well....you cannot say that "identity politics is a no good", but globally, you are practicing identity politics by considering yourself and your interest as an AMERICAN, above others, as apposed to seeing all humans on this planet and considering their needs equally. Right? So you want to get rid of the identity politics of race, but keep the identity politics of being an "American". You see, we all see ourselves as part of some "tribe" or multiple tribes, some overlapping like a venn diagram.

You cannot say tribalism is bad.....because of the sub tribes....then advocate all the sub tribes coalesce into a super tribe, American, which is also a sub tribe to the human super tribe. The truth is, the right does not like identity politics because its a game that they lose at. If you are a boxer and you get into a fight with a wrestler, you will be against wrestling. Wrestling does not work for you so you just want to box.
Believing in the nation state does not require you to split the citizens of that state in to racial sub-categories. We can be one people even if we are a diverse people.

 
Old 02-10-2020, 07:49 AM
 
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Whether they are culturally conservative or not they will still vote for the Democrats because of their advocacy for socialism and their beliefs that the GOP are racists fed to them by the Democrats.
Nope. I don’t vote Republican due to my views on religious liberty and separation of church and state etc It is you that assumes the reasons why every “black” person might not vote for the GOP. Not surprised though.
 
Old 02-10-2020, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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The only time blacks are pandered to is during the primaries, after that, no one cares because they overwhelmingly vote Democrat no matter what, and are mostly located in heavy Democrat districts that will go for the Democrats anyway despite the turnout. Election after election it is like this.
Why does anyone need to pander to people based upon their race anyway? Either your politics are that all our laws should treat people justly and fairly, or it's not. But maybe that is the reason why some people think repubs are somehow opposed to blacks, because the repubs are not pandering to blacks, and patting them on the head, saying "poor, poor soul."

Do so called blacks think they are supposed to be pandered to? And if not, then it's because the person not pandering to them doesn't like them?

Could it be that the popularity on JFK, and the impeachment of Nixon played a part in people leaving the Republican Party?
 
Old 02-10-2020, 08:06 AM
 
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Believing in the nation state does not require you to split the citizens of that state in to racial sub-categories. We can be one people even if we are a diverse people.
I am trying to get you to see that belief in the nation state is not morally different from belief in the racial state. It's the same tribalism....just on a larger scale, where the demarcation is borders....and not color.
 
Old 02-10-2020, 08:16 AM
 
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Why does anyone need to pander to people based upon their race anyway? Either your politics are that all our laws should treat people justly and fairly, or it's not. But maybe that is the reason why some people think repubs are somehow opposed to blacks, because the repubs are not pandering to blacks, and patting them on the head, saying "poor, poor soul."

Do so called blacks think they are supposed to be pandered to? And if not, then it's because the person not pandering to them doesn't like them?

Could it be that the popularity on JFK, and the impeachment of Nixon played a part in people leaving the Republican Party?
The reason there should be racial politics is because the legacy of the nations wrongs were applied racially. You cannot efficiently address the undoing of those wrongs without an equal focus on race in applying the solution as there was a focus on race in creating the problem. Simply correcting laws does not correct all the problems and imbalances that the incorrect laws created.

Its kind of like if you just lifted weights with your right side. For years you only did one arm bicep curls with your right arm. Your right arm got huge and jacked, but your left arm looks scrawny. Now you say that you are going to exercise both the same. How can you get the scrawny arm to look like the muscular arm without TARGETING it for more reps or effort?
 
Old 02-10-2020, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Heh, that's what I'm doing. I'm not voting in either party. I want both parties to stop treating us like pawns. Only showing up around election time, then once they're in office, it's back to the same ol same ol. There's never a black agenda at all. It's just more "we'll give you some food stamps and we'll sing in church with you for a day if you vote for us!"
What exactly is a president supposed to do for blacks, anyway? I never understood that. Unless people running for president are supposed to assume all blacks are this or that, and pander to them that way. Lumping people together, and making assumptions about their personal lives, just because government they classified as being "one of them," it's insulting.
 
Old 02-10-2020, 08:18 AM
 
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Bumping this question up because I'm trying to understand too. Is anyone willing to clarify?
No one of either party wants to answer this question.
 
Old 02-10-2020, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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What exactly is a president supposed to do for blacks, anyway? I never understood that. Unless people running for president are supposed to assume all blacks are this or that, and pander to them that way. Lumping people together, and making assumptions about their personal lives, just because government they classified as being "one of them," it's insulting.
Hate to say it, but Trump seems like he's been doing things for blacks in a way many haven't, like helping out HCBUs and unemployment.

But I generally agree and have said this for years; Presidents don't do much to help the everyday man, it's more vital to vote and research your local elections.
 
Old 02-10-2020, 08:23 AM
 
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What exactly is a president supposed to do for blacks, anyway? I never understood that. Unless people running for president are supposed to assume all blacks are this or that, and pander to them that way. Lumping people together, and making assumptions about their personal lives, just because government they classified as being "one of them," it's insulting.
A President could lead an apology for their (blacks) ancestors enslavement in this country. A president could then propose a study of what the prolonged impact has been on black culture, economics, psychology, families, sociology, etc, from 3 centuries of racial oppression. A president could be out front in trying undo any legacies to this population.
 
Old 02-10-2020, 08:23 AM
 
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I technically am a registered Republican right now because I voted in the GOP primary last. Ohio goes by whatever primary you voted in. You declare when you come to the polls.

This year, I'll be a registered Democrat as I plan to vote in the Democratic Primary.
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