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Vaccinated people are still much less likely to catch Covid than someone that is non-vaccinated. Less chance of a Covid related blood clot if less chance of getting Covid.
I've posted studies before that actually show they do nothing... But, whatever world you want to live in.
I've said, I still wear them a lot too. But, do I think they are really doing anything? No. But, what else can I do...
For every study that says masks don't work, there are studies that say they do. They've been posted here ad nauseum also. I'm not trying to convince, just letting you know that there are studies on both sides.
And to be clear, you being alone wearing a mask does not work if you're the only one wearing it. There has yet to be a real study where a group of people go in a room all 100% masked with illness posted against a control group where there are partial wearers measuring how many people catch something.
Over the past 18 months, there have been several studies with great diagrams posted from other countries that do heavy contact tracing which show infections that occurred in a bus, in a restaurant, in a coffee shop, who was masked, who wasn't, who was infected and so on. Those were done against the orginial variant which is much less infective, though, so who knows how they hold up with Delta.
To answer a later poster, there was a study done showing that those who wear eyeglasses out and about with their mask, generally avoided infection. While eyeglasses are not "sealed", they offer some protection when walking through floating virus from it hitting your eyeball straight on. As you walk through that, with glasses on, much less hitting your eye in the front and maybe you blow by fast enough that it doesn't enter easily through the sides.
She said they were noticing it in people 70 and older. More and more though people seem to be testing positive despite being vaccinated. But we are told those are milder cases. So milder cases wouldn’t cause blood clots? If the virus is in you, regardless of how sick you get, I would think if can still cause the same problems in older people regardless of vaccination. The news keep saying break through cases are rare but it seems we hear of them more frequently now.
Milder cases likely have lower viral loads and are generally tied with better outcomes for the patient therefore the vaccination is recommended. i.e. less likely to have a blood clot.
No infection will cause the exact same problems in any situation.
Since I posted data earlier on vaccine efficacy per other posts ... should really update here, even though this isn't the vaccine thread. Because this really isn't about the "best" vaccine but letting the data speak.
So how can that be when hospitalization stats appear so much lower? There are multiple points of comparison:
1. Chances of infection ... data
2. Outcome of infection ... data
3. Outcome if severe ... data
Basically (with all the vaccines) chances of infection are HIGHER due to falling nAbs ... From those numbers comparing the figures to a control group, there will be an outcome - a distribution into severity of disease ... and then an outcome associated with severity.
Another interpretative complexity is that the vaccines were not given randomly. The elderly have a greater likelihood of severe disease, vaccinated or not once they become ill. And they were vaccinated first, particularly in countries like Israel (after HCWs). nAbs are falling ... increasing that chance, resulting in MORE progressing on to stages #2 and #3 with then those stats applying.
More data out of Denmark where it is Moderna that once again shines as for the U.S. Mayo study. That could result from age confounding the data since Moderna was given later in time in Denmark to then younger people + newer vaccine effect. Not so in the United States. Plus, Moderna wasn't used in Israel, except for Palestinian workers.
Preventing Hospitalization: Alpha- Pfizer 86%, Moderna 97%
Delta- Pfizer 94%, Moderna 97%
Preventing Infection: Alpha- Pfizer 81%, Moderna 96%
Delta- Pfizer 79%, Moderna 88%
Supposedly Moderna boosters will be 1/2 the strength of the original doses. A higher volume just isn't needed, and that should minimize the symptom profile. Frankly, I'm surprised they are boosting Moderna at all but then the Mayo data may be an artifact and the Denmark data not apply well to the US. nAbs are falling for Moderna and one of the goals in boosting is to:
(1) recapture the ability the vaccines to protect the non-vaccinated to lower overall hospital burden.
(2) minimize the hospitalizations among the elderly who are most vulnerable under any scenario.
Last edited by EveryLady; 08-19-2021 at 06:16 PM..
I know you were joking but in case sometime takes it seriously, unfornately a goggle mandate wouldn't do anything since your eyes don't exhale virus particles. Goggles just protect you so no need to mandate for others' safety!
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