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There's also this quote from John Ehrlichman, domestic policy chief for Nixon.
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The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.
I think much of the disgust and opposition to legalizing marijuana today is rooted in it's association with the counterculture and this enduring belief that good, moral American citizens don't smoke marijuana. They may smoke cigarettes or sip bourbon and smoke a cigar to wind down the night but marijuana is for "dirty Godless liberals who hate America and it's values."
I've posted this before but I'll post it again. If cannabis would have been the intoxicant of choice in old Europe instead of alcohol, cannabis would be legal today and alcohol would not.
Almost everyone I know has smoked pot on a daily basis since high school. They are all extremely successful.
This has not been a very good thread for pot advocates, though, has it?
1. They've shown selective knowledge of the basic medical science, and don't acknowledge evidence of long-term complications.
2. They have a reductive view of ethics, or don't even believe in a moral conscience at all.
3. Several don't come across as 100% lucid. One poor person struggles to teach kids to count to 3, and thinks this is normal.
If it's meant to show that potheads are just normal people like everyone else, it isn't doing a very good job.
This has not been a very good thread for pot advocates, though, has it?
1. They have a selective knowledge of the basic medical science and don't acknowledge evidence of long-term complications.
2. They have a reductive view of ethics, or don't even believe in a moral conscience at all.
3. Several don't come across as 100% lucid. One poor person struggles to teach kids to count to 3 (and thinks it's normal).
If it's meant to prove that potheads are just normal people like everyone else, it hasn't done a very good job.
Y’all have some pretty creative minds, I’ll give you that.
I’d struggle to craft statements with *that little* basis in reality.
Y’all have some pretty creative minds, I’ll give you that.
I’d struggle to craft statements with *that little* basis in reality.
We only need to quote the posts in question.
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You don't know it intuitively. If you think it is wrong, you were taught that. Just like a toddler doesn't know intuitively that a hot stove will burn him. He has to be taught.
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Disagree. Haven't you seen a toddler count like this: one, two, many
OR hold up 1 finger, 2 fingers, then all 10 fingers.
If moral truths can't be intuited, but can only be taught, it means you don't believe in a moral conscience.
In other words, you don't believe in an inner insight of moral values independent of social conditioning, peer pressure etc.
You believe that smoking pot is immoral and against Christianity and because of the current political environment we have in this country, you get to impose that belief on all of us.
Many people disagree though. Younger people don't hold the same stigma about the plant as older religious boomers do and a time is coming in the not so distant future when cannabis will be treated no different than alcohol. When that day comes, you bet I'm lighting up.
Maybe it's not just conservative Christians.
Some are speculating that support for marijuana reform has peaked, not because of those nosy evangelicals interfering in everyone else's private lives, but because the speculative benefits of marijuana legalization are failing to materialize.
Some are speculating that support for marijuana reform has peaked, not because of those nosy evangelicals interfering in everyone else's private lives, but because the speculative benefits of marijuana legalization are failing to materialize.
Two-thirds of Americans, including a vast majority of the younger generations, support legal weed.
It IS because of those "nosy evangelicals interfering in everyone's private lives" that it remains illegal. One day that won't be the case anymore and we will actually be able to bring public policy in line with public opinion.
Two-thirds of Americans, including a vast majority of the younger generations, support legal weed.
It IS because of those "nosy evangelicals interfering in everyone's private lives" that it remains illegal. One day that won't be the case anymore and we will actually be able to bring public policy in line with public opinion.
Even if it peaks at two-thirds (which makes perfect sense given that roughly one-third of Americans are evangelical "born again" Christians, the group most opposed to legalization), that's still two-thirds of the American population. It's unlikely that number starts to turn significantly back in the other direction. The issue is bipartisan among people under 40.
Legalization is a matter of time. It may take another 10-15 years but it will happen. The doom and gloom predictions pushed by conservatives regarding legalization have simply not come to fruition in places that have legalized it. Unless that significantly changes, it's doubtful public opinion will shift back.
Even if it peaks at two-thirds (which makes perfect sense given that roughly one-third of Americans are evangelical "born again" Christians, the group most opposed to legalization), that's still two-thirds of the American population. It's unlikely that number starts to turn significantly back in the other direction. The issue is bipartisan among people under 40.
Legalization is a matter of time. It may take another 10-15 years but it will happen. The doom and gloom predictions pushed by conservatives regarding legalization have simply not come to fruition in places that have legalized it. Unless that significantly changes, it's doubtful public opinion will shift back.
So now you've made a confident predictive claim about the future, how have you ruled out all possibility of a reversal?
If you remember, the past few years haven't quite gone according to prediction from the political liberal point of view.
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The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course wedid.
Its so funny to me, they are preaching the same line today and people are falling for it just like they did in the past...how is that even possible?! LOL
This is especially true with heroin, as opium has always been used like this to take advantage of another group or as cause to go to war, so of course, we here them telling how deadly and dangerous Heroin is today! LOL
Has history not taught us anything? THEY LIE ABOUT THE DANGERS OF THESE DRUGS IN ORDER TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF A CERTAIN GROUP OR RACE!!!!!!!
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