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Old 03-15-2020, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Originally Posted by Oklazona Bound View Post
The governor of Illinois was just on one of the TV news shows. Apparently they feds did not increase the staff of customs or airport screeners which would have greatly helped the situation. The gov said someone from the white house called him last night and yelled at him for complaining about the situation.
Well, I don't think they would have actually been able to get the right amount of staff for customs and screeners even if they tried. It is easy to mock Trump but this would be an issue regardless who was in office to be quite honest.

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They only care about the damn optics.
Yep. So do school districts. I think my school district only closed due to the state of emergency. They were originally going to wait for the county to shut them down and then was scheduled to be schools with not enough students in. They feared parent backlash of keeping schools open like New York City is doing.

 
Old 03-15-2020, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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So, it takes someone from the feds, to say, hey bump up your work force? And these feds are NOT local, they have to wait for someone to tell them from...where?



Are you both of you really saying, that TSA hiring is not done locally, if so, who does the hiring for each state? Does someone from out of state also make the work schedule for each individual airport and send it to the local boss?
Customs and border are federal responsibilities. You were wrong and now you're reaching. Stand down. Don't get all "Trump" about it.
 
Old 03-15-2020, 09:55 AM
 
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If I am correct the mayor of Miami tested positive for the virus. I would expect a big explosion of the virus in South Florida.

In the past 24 hours, there is a massive increase of positives in South Florida (Miami-Dade and Broward counties). Lots of young people too.
 
Old 03-15-2020, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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Just remember these Fed agents at the airports aren't trained for this.
No one is. They are doing the best they can and tactics can change on a dime as this virus evolves.

People all over the world are grappling with this trying to contain it.
The last pandemic of this scale was in 1918.

In part, yes it's true. But the CDC, NIH and others in the Federal government ARE trained for this.



You can't tell me they couldn't have foreseen the massive influx of returning citizens. All they had to do was call airlines (top mgmt) and ask what the manifests look like.

Did you hear officials, at any point, tell passengers "do not rush for the first flights, you will be able to catch flights for the next month. Do not crowd." Or, anything? At all?

The Federal Gov is instituting things with no coordination, little communication (and a percentage of that communication is wrong), and no leadership.
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Old 03-15-2020, 09:57 AM
 
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Customs and border are federal responsibilities. You were wrong and now you're reaching. Stand down. Don't get all "Trump" about it.



Stand down?



Again, there is local federal government. Period end of story. The local feds could have bumped up the TSA, period end of story. So, you stand down and stop trying to make this all about trump. You stop getting all "trump" about it.


Notice, you did not answer the questions....go figure.
 
Old 03-15-2020, 09:59 AM
 
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Someone called him last night about something he said today?


And why would it be up to the feds to increase the states customs and airport screeners?

The customs and airport screeners are Federal Government Employees. TSA is Federal Government responsibility and US Customs is a Federal Government responsibility. These Federal employees work in airports across the country. Yes, there are federal employees which live and work in Illinois and they work at the airport there. The Federal Government makes the hiring and staffing decisions and they decide the process and the rules too.
 
Old 03-15-2020, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Stand down?



Again, there is local federal government. Period end of story. The local feds could have bumped up the TSA, period end of story. So, you stand down and stop trying to make this all about trump. You stop getting all "trump" about it.


Notice, you did not answer the questions....go figure.
This comes under the Jurisdiction of the Federal Government, not state and local agencies.
 
Old 03-15-2020, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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It’s a news article. I think this is the most logical approach yet under consideration.
Seems like the WHO and others not agree with you and Boris:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/heal...-a4387346.html
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/...into-question/
https://www.ft.com/content/64d54c97-...c-be0e93cadc52
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...navirus-u-turn
https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/new...ategy-17924466
And of course The Daily Mail: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...vernments.html

Plus much more. When one country is going against all the others, maybe you should question that one country's approach.

And already, the UK is changing its tune:
https://www.ft.com/content/e4f4fef8-...d-da70cff6e4d3
 
Old 03-15-2020, 10:04 AM
 
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Originally Posted by TMSRetired View Post
Just remember these Fed agents at the airports aren't trained for this.
No one is. They are doing the best they can and tactics can change on a dime as this virus evolves.

People all over the world are grappling with this trying to contain it.
The last pandemic of this scale was in 1918.
Yes all of the reasons you cited are why federal governments need to make sure when implementing a policy they have thought it through.

None of what this administration does is ever thoughtfully implemented...and in this case it has serious health implications.

No excuse -- you know there is going to be a rush of travelers. Airlines knew their planes would be landing fully loaded with folks needed to be screened. Airports knew that the airplanes were arriving close together.

And yes -- the federal govt. needs to plan ahead.

Blaming existing systems in a crisis for their oversight is getting old and boring and is nonsense.

We aren't leading the way here in the USA. We are implementing policies after others have done so.

I wonder -- other than Fauci if there is anyone on the task force that is a pandemic planner.

There are contingency plans for 'just in case' scenarios. When a crisis happens, pandemic teams will sit down and map out strategies identifying every scenario and planning for that.

We aren't doing that.

Trump is announcing policies without any planning, any notice to the appropriate authorities. He doesn't care if what he is announcing will work -- it's all about optics -- it looks like he is making the right decision.

We can continue to make excuses or we can acknowledge THIS IS NOT THE ADMINISTRATION for any crisis.
 
Old 03-15-2020, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Florida
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This whole thing is stupid.
Once again, society gets turned upside down because of a percentage of the population.
This virus is a joke to the majority of the population so why should we all suffer?
Quarantine only the percentage of people that need it like all the old bags and people with compromised health issues.
Lock up nursing homes and keep grandma home. It's common sense. It's much easier that way. Easier to wash up before going to see grandma instead of shutting down society.
Like Mr. Spock said "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one".
If anyone needs TP I'm selling for $20 a roll.
it is no cake walk for the 30 or 40 crowd. They can die , not as often but wind up in the ICU . Now Chinese experts are saying that this virus may do permanent lung damage losing 20 to 30 percent of their lung capacity after they recover. One never knows how they will fair once getting this virus... Some old people have a mild case too but the older they are the more deaths occur.


One 32 year old man in NJ is struggling to even talk.. He said he is getting sicker by the day and has bad symptoms and he has no health conditions at all. He has to text ,not talk.


https://nypost.com/2020/03/10/new-je...-from-illness/
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