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Old 03-18-2020, 06:15 AM
 
Location: Texas
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President Trump will provide for all our needs throughout the year. During a disaster, there is one beacon of light. That is what you'll be thinking come November.
The government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take it away.

 
Old 03-18-2020, 06:15 AM
 
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How does this work? Do people not working, social security, disabled 100% veterans, etc or people who don’t even have a job, do they get this too? They shouldn’t as they didn’t lose money in first place. I’m perplexed how sending $$$ to everyone will benefit society

Just trying to wrap my head around it, only those laid off should be compensated to stop more debt
It's not going to do much of anything to mitigate the losses people are suffering, between the virus and the stock market.

Meanwhile, the things that would actually truly benefit Americans longer term--paid sick leave paid family leave-- were weakened considerably in the Senate after being passed by the House.

In the Senate version, the extended leave wouldn’t be available for people who are sick with COVID-19. Those workers would only be able to take 10 days of paid sick leave ― and only if they work at a company with less than 500 employees. What’s more: Companies with fewer than 50 workers can apply for hardship relief and get out of providing both sick and family leave.

The carve-outs that came in last night through pressure from Republicans and the White House have dramatically weakened what started out as a strong paid leave proposal that would’ve made a difference to tens of millions of families during this crisis,” said Jessica Mason, senior policy analyst at the National Partnership for Women and Families. “The so-called corrections actually gut those policies and weaken our nation’s response to this pandemic.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/paid-...b6eab7793d0ceb

But a one-time check of $1000 is going to fix everything.
 
Old 03-18-2020, 06:26 AM
 
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I think freezing mortgage, tax, and student loan payments would have went a long way, and fairly easy to deal with on the lender end. Not the only thing to do of course, but I feel best bang for the buck.
 
Old 03-18-2020, 07:05 AM
 
Location: NC
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I think freezing mortgage, tax, and student loan payments would have went a long way, and fairly easy to deal with on the lender end. Not the only thing to do of course, but I feel best bang for the buck.
Agreed. Not forgiving them, just "delaying" until things get back on track. 12-18-24 months, or whatever.

Pick up where we left off. No penalties, bot no forgiving either. (at least on the loans)

Semi-related: I think the solution for student loans is not to totally forgive them, but to re-issue them at zero interest. Pay back what you borrowed. If not zero, than low (as in "at or below best mortgage rates")
 
Old 03-18-2020, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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I'm glad that you boarded the Keynesian Train, brother.
I have not converted, so hopefully, it's a short ride. For now, it feels right, and I support our President, no matter who it is.

I kept my mouth shut when Obama was doing the TARP and Stimulus out of repect to the office, and my fellow American's. I didn't openly support it, but I didn't openly trash it either. It saved some Fortune 500's, but prolonged the recession.

He was my duly elected President, and that is what he felt was best.

I'm American first, and hate Blue vs. Red as most C-D'ers should know by now.

I enjoy the mud-wrestling at times for entertainment value, but I'm a whole new type of American.

I'm for Red+Blue vs. top 1% + big gov + big biz I'm Trump-Sanders. I hate the system & the swamp.

However, when the votes are cast & tallied, I respect whomever is left standing. This is how I define America.
 
Old 03-18-2020, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Blue stimulus good

Red stimulus bad

Conservatives are being compassionate, helping others, saving lives, saving homes, saving families, saving employers, stimulating the economy during a crisis...what is your objection to this?

Conservatives must set aside their convictions to help fellow Americans in need.

As President Trump said earlier today, We must set aside partisan politics to beat this enemy.
We all figured the republicans would refuse to accept a Socialist check from the government.

If Trump is serious, he should tell the corporations who got the trillion and a half to send out checks to stimulate the economy, not simply put the whole thing on American Express.

If the corporations have problems, let them pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Diversify their product lines, cut all salaries for management and suspend bonuses, and learn new skills and technologies to cope.
 
Old 03-18-2020, 08:57 AM
 
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Originally Posted by T-310 View Post
No bailouts. Ever.
Yeah, no one is buying that. Sounds good though.
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Trump can't do anything unless the Democrat Congress passes a bill....the election of Pelosi as Speaker has skyrocketed the deficit just as it did in 2007-2010.
Don’t blame Democrats. This is about Trump.

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and European nations are opening up as much as 20% of their GDP (including poor spain)...20% of our GDP would be in the 5 trillion range


trump is being conservative... yes he is opening up needed monies, but being smart about it
LMAO...making excuses for socialism, huh? Nice.

You know those of us on the Left won’t be forgetting this, right?

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no..a big no


I don't think there should EVER be bailouts... not by bush, not by Obama, and not by trump
Yeah, whatever.

Lol...it’s just not convincing anymore. Not that it ever was.
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Originally Posted by Wardendresden View Post
Heard an economist today say one trillion dollars won't do it. We need at least FOUR trillion dollars. And if that sounds atrocious, think of the cost of a depression that will make 1929 pale in comparison. And remember, some of the "horrible" socialist programs like social security began during that depression.


When your house is on fire, you don't quibble over the cost of water to put it out.
But I thought government is the problem? You’re telling me that government is the solution now?

I thought the free market fixes all financial and social issues?

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Originally Posted by beach43ofus View Post
Blue stimulus good

Red stimulus bad

Conservatives are being compassionate, helping others, saving lives, saving homes, saving families, saving employers, stimulating the economy during a crisis...what is your objection to this?

Conservatives must set aside their convictions to help fellow Americans in need.

As President Trump said earlier today, We must set aside partisan politics to beat this enemy.
Why can’t the free market fix this whole thing?
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Originally Posted by Hopeful for Life View Post
Social Security IS Horrible- a huge theft of income to be redistributed to others who contribute less.
Yeah, whatever. You’ll be running to collect yours. lol

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Lets not forget that the Leftists would currently rather have the Senate bogged down with Impeachment witnesses instead of focusing on a national crisis
Yep, as we should’ve done. Tell Trump to stop committing crimes.

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Originally Posted by skeddy View Post
President Trump will provide for all our needs throughout the year. During a disaster, there is one beacon of light. That is what you'll be thinking come November.
So you’re all for big fat government now, huh?
 
Old 03-18-2020, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Originally Posted by Hopeful for Life View Post
Repub politicians are opportunists who are attempting to buy voter loyalty with their bribes.
I understand how it appears that way, I really do.

Please consider most of us you think are Republicans are not, but its the closest thing to what we are, so we reluctantly ride along with them.

Open up your mind, and consider the existence of a truly compassionate Conservative, who is also Liberal.

Imagine a person who isn't Blue, or Red, or even any color at all. We exist. We are on the side of the 99%.

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Old 03-18-2020, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Social Security IS Horrible- a huge theft of income to be redistributed to others who contribute less.
You've seen nothing at all. Depressions have always pushed the country to the left. Even Republicans are now talking about Andrew Yang's idea of $1000 per month per adult.

The new Democratic mantra is "Trump lied, people died."

His stupidity will hamper Republicans for years to come. The only people more stupid are those who were duped into believing his lies.
 
Old 03-18-2020, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Opinion: Well done...............truly non partisan when all Americans receive a handout in the mailbox.

President Trump is making sure China is finally repaying Americans rather than politicians after years of being ripped off...........
Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not part of the Yang gang (althought he was my favorite Dem candidate), so I'm not good with handouts for the sake of handouts forever.

I also hate how 1/2 pay no federal income taxes....everyone above the poverty level should have skin in the game....even if its $100/yr.

I also believe we need to examine how much the top 1% are really are paying.

These are extraordinary times, and they require extraordinary measures. ~50% of Americans are paycheck to paycheck, and now those paychecks are in jeopardy. I support Trump's actions.

After this is all over, and done with, I'm for huge spending reductions across the board of the federal gov't to pay for all of it. Starting at 2% in year 1, 3% year 2, 4% year 3...similar to the Penny Plan, only more aggressivly front-loaded.
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